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dainthomas

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I'm concerned about the remotest possibility that Trump may yet survive or another populist clone do well. If you aren't concerned about your party and the implications that might lead to, then someone should.

Precisely who is the voice of the Democrats right now? I mean the ones who connect with more than the faithful? Pelosi? Feinstein? Schumer? Not at all. Warren has the potential, but in any case I would think the Dems should adopt a position of foresight and develop the ability to multi-task. Midterms and 2020 are inexorably linked and not far apart timewise.

How about Harris? She seems competent and intelligent. As a bonus she'd trigger the racist rightie snowflakes.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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I'm concerned about the remotest possibility that Trump may yet survive or another populist clone do well. If you aren't concerned about your party and the implications that might lead to, then someone should.

Precisely who is the voice of the Democrats right now? I mean the ones who connect with more than the faithful? Pelosi? Feinstein? Schumer? Not at all. Warren has the potential, but in any case I would think the Dems should adopt a position of foresight and develop the ability to multi-task. Midterms and 2020 are inexorably linked and not far apart timewise.

We can be concerned about both at the same time. We are. It's just that right now November is very close. I suspect after November we'll be seeing a lot more talk in media, and places like this, about who will run in 2020.
 

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How about Harris? She seems competent and intelligent. As a bonus she'd trigger the racist rightie snowflakes.

She's got the personality of a hatchet. Sharp, cold and a bit intimidating. Women are screwed when it comes to being compared to men. If they are too strong of a personality they are a bitch. If they try to soften up then they are too weak. They are held to an entirely different and discriminating standard than men are. If we thought Hillary was a polarizing candidate, at least the angry white male voter can't complain about her not being white.

Sad that this is where we are, but this is where we are.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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The time has come for someone truly progressive.

I normally vote for the more establishment candidate, but in this case I agree. My biggest reason is that we've let healthcare get so expensive in this country that we pretty much need single payer tomorrow. I'm not on board for an incremental approach any more.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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She's got the personality of a hatchet. Sharp, cold and a bit intimidating. Women are screwed when it comes to being compared to men. If they are too strong of a personality they are a bitch. If they try to soften up then they are too weak. They are held to an entirely different and discriminating standard than men are. If we thought Hillary was a polarizing candidate, at least the angry white male voter can't complain about her not being white.

Sad that this is where we are, but this is where we are.
I've got reservations about Harris, but if she is the nominee, I will hope that they fully embrace the "bitch" label and just own it and destroy whoever stands against her.

We'll see.
 

Younigue

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Feb 5, 2017
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I normally vote for the more establishment candidate, but in this case I agree. My biggest reason is that we've let healthcare get so expensive in this country that we pretty much need single payer tomorrow. I'm not on board for an incremental approach any more.
Healthcare. Education. No more privatization of prisons. Hella regulations on things certain industries are knowingly killing us with. Gun reform (meaning 2A reform!). Tax reform that benefits the people not the 1%. I'm all for socking it to the 1%. There is zero need for even one person to be a multi-billionaire ever under any circumstance. It's absurd! On and on and on!
 

jackstar7

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History says that when an incumbent is challenged by their own party, they both lose.
I was presupposing impeachment and him being removed from office... but sacto has a point, that he might take his ball and go home when faced with the prospect of such a powerful loss likely in 2020.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Healthcare. Education. No more privatization of prisons. Hella regulations on things certain industries are knowingly killing us with. Gun reform (meaning 2A reform!). Tax reform that benefits the people not the 1%. I'm all for socking it to the 1%. There is zero need for even one person to be a multi-billionaire ever under any circumstance. It's absurd! On and on and on!

I definitely want to raise taxes on the wealthy, but I think pretty much any dem will do that. I don't have an issue with there being billionaires. I just think they should give back more than they do. Most are making their money off the backs of working people. Giving money to the poor and middle class stimulates demand for their goods and services anyway. If the ultra rich aren't careful, and they continue to starve out everyone else, pretty soon there won't be anyone to buy their stuff.

I also want to see political reform. That's something I do like about Warren.
 
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Younigue

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I definitely want to raise taxes on the wealthy, but I think pretty much any dem will do that. I don't have an issue with there being billionaires. I just think they should give back more than they do. Most are making their money off the backs of working people. Giving money to the poor and middle class stimulates demand for their goods and services anyway. If the ultra rich aren't careful, and they continue to starve out everyone else, pretty soon there won't be anyone to buy their stuff.

I also want to see political reform. That's something I do like about Warren.
My issue with billionaires is I tried one day to imagine how hard someone must work to earn a billion dollars. A single human being isn't capable of working that hard in 10 life times. Yes I have some unnamed, unsourced concept of what a person's efforts are worth but it's weighed against need.

No way to enforce it but I think their should be a cap. Anything after a billion should be dispersed. No I don't have any idea how to make that happen but I bet there's someone out there that could figure it out. The billionaires could still track how much they'd be worth if they were allowed to keep the money for their stupid status purposes but the people would benefit from every cent they make beyond a single billion. It's not unreasonable but I'm well aware many if not most would disagree with me.

One of the things that astounds me is the concept of someone with absurd amounts of money being able to count their new millions by the minute because their wealth earns it for them... Brushing teeth, earned millions. Putting shoes on, earned millions. Picked my nose, earned millions. That's obscene!
 
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Muse

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Warren runs and she has my unqualified support.
Well, she'll be almost exactly the same age as the incumbent asshat.
Not sure what that has to do with anything? Women function fine while menopausal. Just as well as any man going through a mid-life crisis any way... Strike that, better than because women don't typically blow-up their lives over menopause.

And far more healthy and decent without the corruption and treason.
Yeah, I have nothing against her being post menopausal, absolutely nothing. Maybe shouldn't have said that, but it did cross my mind, so I said it. It would have nothing to do with how I vote and if she's running against that repugnant narcissistic misogynist in the White House, I'll vote for her for sure. I've never been so repulsed by a president, it's no contest. It boggles my mind that this has happened. I used to have a lot of faith in America. I can't say that anymore.
 
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Muse

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She's got the personality of a hatchet. Sharp, cold and a bit intimidating. Women are screwed when it comes to being compared to men. If they are too strong of a personality they are a bitch. If they try to soften up then they are too weak. They are held to an entirely different and discriminating standard than men are. If we thought Hillary was a polarizing candidate, at least the angry white male voter can't complain about her not being white.

Sad that this is where we are, but this is where we are.
Yep, America is pathetic. Not universally, but given the political situation right now, on balance I'm afraid so.
 
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Younigue

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Well, she'll be almost exactly the same age as the incumbent asshat.
Yeah, I have nothing against her being post menopausal, absolutely nothing. Maybe shouldn't have said that, but it did cross my mind, so I said it. It would have nothing to do with how I vote and if she's running against that repugnant narcissistic misogynist in the White House, I'll vote for her for sure. I've never been so repulsed by a president, it's no contest. It boggles my mind that this has happened. I used to have a lot of faith in America. I can't say that anymore.
Exactly why I am unashamed when those fu*ks talk about dem/liberal tears. I AM heartbroken, ashamed, embarrassed and disgusted by Trump's base and by his administration and Trump. Never quite understood the insult being thrown around there.
 
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Younigue

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Yeah, I have nothing against her being post menopausal, absolutely nothing. Maybe shouldn't have said that, but it did cross my mind, so I said it. It would have nothing to do with how I vote
I went through mine between 21 and 28 years old. I had mood swings but my husband was the one to suffer those. I was a cook/chef during some of those years. I managed to keep every one alive.

Yes I agree, Warren is a no brainer up against Trump. I'm not against new blood but so far I'm not excited about any one else/yet.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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Exactly why I am unashamed when those fu*ks talk about dem/liberal tears. I AM heartbroken, ashamed, embarrassed and disgusted by Trump's base and by his administration and Trump. Never quite understood the insult being thrown around there.
It still boggles my mind how the right made "liberal" a bad word. I have always disparaged the term "conservative"!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Reposting this here, because it's very appropriate for this thread:

Honestly, Trump doesn't really care about Manafort, but Manafort is Putin's bitch in the Ukraine, and Putin wants his other bitch to set that bitch free.

That is all this is about. [was in reference to Trump's reported desire to pardon Manafort, as disastrous as that sounds for Trump--but he will do it anyway. Because he fears Putin more than anything else]


Anyhoo:
Folks, this is a solid read:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/20/how-bill-browder-became-russias-most-wanted-man

It sheds light on the wackadoo surreal summit back in Helsinki, and "the great offer" that Putin made to Trump, in which Trump said he would be willing to surrender protected US and foreign witnesses (lol like he could do that) to Putin's murder gang, because they had "special interest in them." Putin told the world this at that podium, and named Bill Browder directly, because he desperately wants to murder this guy. He privately asked Trump to deal him over, and then Putin told the world that Trump agreed with him. This is why much of the intelligence community, foreign affairs, State department, and all of Congress was in utter disbelief at that highly, highly, treasonous moment. I don't think the shear weight of that moment was ever really reported in the media, because no one outside of those major policy groups really know this story. Who is Bill Browder? Read that article.

Also, this details Putin's primary obsession: The Magnitsky act, which Putin is desperate to end (and which represents the thorough and unrelenting ass-kicking against him that OBAMA actually implemented. Hey: whenever you hear some pissant lie about how Obama was "weak against Putin," just watch Putin physically react to thoughts of the Magnitsky act.).

a bipartisan bill passed by the U.S. Congress and signed by President Obama in December 2012, intending to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009.
Since 2016 the bill, which applies globally, authorizes government to sanction human rights offenders, freeze their assets, and ban them from entering the U.S..

Oh, what is also important about that? Well Putin's retaliation for Magnitsky was to suspend US adoptions of Russian babies. Oh, weird. Hmm....hey, who is the sharky lawyer lady that represented the Russian state and private suits against Browder's Hedge fund and, related: who's sole professional purpose is to lobby the end of the Magnitsky act? Oh, it's that Verblitskanay lady. ....hey wait a second! She was in Trump tower meeting with Tweedle Dickless, Manafort, and Kushner. ....what were they discussing again? ....oh yeah! "adoptions!"

So yeah, this is real, and this shit is serious. Any pissant motherfucker tells you that the proven, admitted meeting in Trump tower had nothing to do with collusion, just remind them that the meeting was about exchanging illegally obtained, political dirt from an enemy foreign agent, in exchange for promises to overturn a US law that represents the basis for ALL international criminal sanction cases against the USS...er Rusher. Also remind these unapologetic pants-shitters that these criminal conspirators in the Trump family were doing so without authority of the US government and in violation of federal law, to undermine the USA and the security and welfare of its citizens.

That is exactly what this was. Full motherfucking STOP.

I mean think about it: when these retards blurt out, in defense of their proven treason: "We were jsut discussing the ending of adoptions!" They are admitting that the purpose, from the Russian end, was ending of Magnitsky--US-lead and internationally-adopted criminal law. Investigators know this. Congress knows this. Anyone that is important to any of this, knows this.

This is what collusion looks like, people. It also smells a lot like treason.
 
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So now it’s being reported that the Trump campaign coordinated as early as 2015 with the national enquirer to “catch and kill” negative stories. Apparently AMI ahead Pecker has been cooperating with the Mueller team.

Anyone at all surprised by this? Just more violations of campaign finance law.
 
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