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zinfamous

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So now it’s being reported that the Trump campaign coordinated as early as 2015 with the national enquirer to “catch and kill” negative stories. Apparently AMI ahead Pecker has been cooperating with the Mueller team.

Anyone at all surprised by this? Just more violations of campaign finance law.

Yeah, Pecker seems to have been a primary source of information that lead to the raid on Cohen's office, house, and hotel room. LoL.

Trump: done-in by a porn star and a Pecker.
 
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dainthomas

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My issue with billionaires is I tried one day to imagine how hard someone must work to earn a billion dollars. A single human being isn't capable of working that hard in 10 life times. Yes I have some unnamed, unsourced concept of what a person's efforts are worth but it's weighed against need.

No way to enforce it but I think their should be a cap. Anything after a billion should be dispersed. No I don't have any idea how to make that happen but I bet there's someone out there that could figure it out. The billionaires could still track how much they'd be worth if they were allowed to keep the money for their stupid status purposes but the people would benefit from every cent they make beyond a single billion. It's not unreasonable but I'm well aware many if not most would disagree with me.

One of the things that astounds me is the concept of someone with absurd amounts of money being able to count their new millions by the minute because their wealth earns it for them... Brushing teeth, earned millions. Putting shoes on, earned millions. Picked my nose, earned millions. That's obscene!

But people wouldn't work hard if they couldn't afford a tenth yacht in the Caymans!
 

UNCjigga

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So now it’s being reported that the Trump campaign coordinated as early as 2015 with the national enquirer to “catch and kill” negative stories. Apparently AMI ahead Pecker has been cooperating with the Mueller team.

Anyone at all surprised by this? Just more violations of campaign finance law.
Is it a campaign finance violation if it happened before the official start of the campaign?
 

Jhhnn

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Is it a campaign finance violation if it happened before the official start of the campaign?

It probably would be if done with the understanding that it would support an as yet unannounced campaign.

It's not like the National Enquirer would catch & kill stories to protect Trump's pristine reputation under normal circumstances... Or that Pecker & Howard won't roll like marbles to protect their own hides...

Rats, Donald. They're everywhere.
 

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Yeah, Pecker seems to have been a primary source of information that lead to the raid on Cohen's office, house, and hotel room. LoL.

Trump: done-in by a porn star and a Pecker.

Just came across wire that Pecker got offered Immunity by Cohen prosecutors.

PECKER IMMUNITY.
 
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woolfe9998

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Reposting this here, because it's very appropriate for this thread:

Honestly, Trump doesn't really care about Manafort, but Manafort is Putin's bitch in the Ukraine, and Putin wants his other bitch to set that bitch free.

That is all this is about. [was in reference to Trump's reported desire to pardon Manafort, as disastrous as that sounds for Trump--but he will do it anyway. Because he fears Putin more than anything else]


Anyhoo:
Folks, this is a solid read:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/20/how-bill-browder-became-russias-most-wanted-man

It sheds light on the wackadoo surreal summit back in Helsinki, and "the great offer" that Putin made to Trump, in which Trump said he would be willing to surrender protected US and foreign witnesses (lol like he could do that) to Putin's murder gang, because they had "special interest in them." Putin told the world this at that podium, and named Bill Browder directly, because he desperately wants to murder this guy. He privately asked Trump to deal him over, and then Putin told the world that Trump agreed with him. This is why much of the intelligence community, foreign affairs, State department, and all of Congress was in utter disbelief at that highly, highly, treasonous moment. I don't think the shear weight of that moment was ever really reported in the media, because no one outside of those major policy groups really know this story. Who is Bill Browder? Read that article.

Also, this details Putin's primary obsession: The Magnitsky act, which Putin is desperate to end (and which represents the thorough and unrelenting ass-kicking against him that OBAMA actually implemented. Hey: whenever you hear some pissant lie about how Obama was "weak against Putin," just watch Putin physically react to thoughts of the Magnitsky act.).



Oh, what is also important about that? Well Putin's retaliation for Magnitsky was to suspend US adoptions of Russian babies. Oh, weird. Hmm....hey, who is the sharky lawyer lady that represented the Russian state and private suits against Browder's Hedge fund and, related: who's sole professional purpose is to lobby the end of the Magnitsky act? Oh, it's that Verblitskanay lady. ....hey wait a second! She was in Trump tower meeting with Tweedle Dickless, Manafort, and Kushner. ....what were they discussing again? ....oh yeah! "adoptions!"

So yeah, this is real, and this shit is serious. Any pissant motherfucker tells you that the proven, admitted meeting in Trump tower had nothing to do with collusion, just remind them that the meeting was about exchanging illegally obtained, political dirt from an enemy foreign agent, in exchange for promises to overturn a US law that represents the basis for ALL international criminal sanction cases against the USS...er Rusher. Also remind these unapologetic pants-shitters that these criminal conspirators in the Trump family were doing so without authority of the US government and in violation of federal law, to undermine the USA and the security and welfare of its citizens.

That is exactly what this was. Full motherfucking STOP.

I mean think about it: when these retards blurt out, in defense of their proven treason: "We were jsut discussing the ending of adoptions!" They are admitting that the purpose, from the Russian end, was ending of Magnitsky--US-lead and internationally-adopted criminal law. Investigators know this. Congress knows this. Anyone that is important to any of this, knows this.

This is what collusion looks like, people. It also smells a lot like treason.

Good post. This is what I've been saying for over a year about that Trump Tower meeting. Example:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...recuse-on-russia.2511576/page-2#post-38992405

Everyone was assuming the talk of "adoptions" was pure fabrication, but it's actually a criminally significant admission. No chance they fabricated something this random out of whole cloth. They were discussing adoptions of Russian babies, which Putin ended in retaliation for the Magnitsky Act, in the same meeting that they were discussing getting dirt on Clinton. It's an obvious quid pro quo. Which is hugely significant here. Seeking dirt alone could violate certain election laws. But this kind of arrangement is classic political corruption, influence and favor trading, but writ large as it goes to a hostile foreign government.
 
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Is it a campaign finance violation if it happened before the official start of the campaign?
Remember the campaigns launched in June 2015. I would assume if those actions were in furtherance of his campaign goals even before June they’d still be considered.
 
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Reposting this here, because it's very appropriate for this thread:

Honestly, Trump doesn't really care about Manafort, but Manafort is Putin's bitch in the Ukraine, and Putin wants his other bitch to set that bitch free.

That is all this is about. [was in reference to Trump's reported desire to pardon Manafort, as disastrous as that sounds for Trump--but he will do it anyway. Because he fears Putin more than anything else]


Anyhoo:
Folks, this is a solid read:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/08/20/how-bill-browder-became-russias-most-wanted-man

It sheds light on the wackadoo surreal summit back in Helsinki, and "the great offer" that Putin made to Trump, in which Trump said he would be willing to surrender protected US and foreign witnesses (lol like he could do that) to Putin's murder gang, because they had "special interest in them." Putin told the world this at that podium, and named Bill Browder directly, because he desperately wants to murder this guy. He privately asked Trump to deal him over, and then Putin told the world that Trump agreed with him. This is why much of the intelligence community, foreign affairs, State department, and all of Congress was in utter disbelief at that highly, highly, treasonous moment. I don't think the shear weight of that moment was ever really reported in the media, because no one outside of those major policy groups really know this story. Who is Bill Browder? Read that article.

Also, this details Putin's primary obsession: The Magnitsky act, which Putin is desperate to end (and which represents the thorough and unrelenting ass-kicking against him that OBAMA actually implemented. Hey: whenever you hear some pissant lie about how Obama was "weak against Putin," just watch Putin physically react to thoughts of the Magnitsky act.).



Oh, what is also important about that? Well Putin's retaliation for Magnitsky was to suspend US adoptions of Russian babies. Oh, weird. Hmm....hey, who is the sharky lawyer lady that represented the Russian state and private suits against Browder's Hedge fund and, related: who's sole professional purpose is to lobby the end of the Magnitsky act? Oh, it's that Verblitskanay lady. ....hey wait a second! She was in Trump tower meeting with Tweedle Dickless, Manafort, and Kushner. ....what were they discussing again? ....oh yeah! "adoptions!"

So yeah, this is real, and this shit is serious. Any pissant motherfucker tells you that the proven, admitted meeting in Trump tower had nothing to do with collusion, just remind them that the meeting was about exchanging illegally obtained, political dirt from an enemy foreign agent, in exchange for promises to overturn a US law that represents the basis for ALL international criminal sanction cases against the USS...er Rusher. Also remind these unapologetic pants-shitters that these criminal conspirators in the Trump family were doing so without authority of the US government and in violation of federal law, to undermine the USA and the security and welfare of its citizens.

That is exactly what this was. Full motherfucking STOP.

I mean think about it: when these retards blurt out, in defense of their proven treason: "We were jsut discussing the ending of adoptions!" They are admitting that the purpose, from the Russian end, was ending of Magnitsky--US-lead and internationally-adopted criminal law. Investigators know this. Congress knows this. Anyone that is important to any of this, knows this.

This is what collusion looks like, people. It also smells a lot like treason.

I think you're grossly covering up how big of a story the Browder and Magnitsky story was at the time. Lots of people were aware of it and the media covered it quite a bit (if I remember right, the media already was sounding the alarm on Putin and keen to give credibility to why). It was a pretty big deal.

I've posted about it before (I think I even commented that it likely directly led to Russia's involvement in Syria, and led to their offer/deal with Turmp, they were pissed about it). I don't think I made the case about the connection between the adoptions (mostly because I didn't feel it was necessary, I mean I guess for ironclad legal evidence its necessary to make the direct connection, but I don't think there was any question that the meeting and collusion involved Putin wanting to have the Magnitsky Act undone, that was always a major impetus behind it, they - well Don Jr IIRC - already admitted to meeting about getting the DNC/Clinton info so its not like most people were going "oh they just talked about adoptions"). I guess what I'm saying is, this seems like its already pretty well established.

The thing is, I wasn't aware why it set off Putin so much. I thought it was just a public embarrassment that showed the corruption of his government, maybe with some extra personal involvement (meaning it was a favor for a Putin friend or Putin had some direct involvement in the situation this uncovered), but now we see, it effectively was the tip of the iceberg for what they were up to.

The first was that it upset them robbing the Russian people blind (via working deals with foreign companies, where if it got caught, they'd just blame the foreigners, and do a big "we're tough on corruption" sham trial and play to xenophobes, which is what we've seen them do since). It was doubly hurtful in that the US were actually in the process of repealing the law - the Jackson-Vanik amendment - that basically probably took down the Soviet Union (I believe it is what enabled the US sanctioning countries over human rights violations, and definitely targeted at the Communist Bloc, and caused the USSR to struggle to keep up economically which rotted the USSR from within). So they were that close to basically no longer having to worry about that (who sponsored repealing that or where the motivation from it should definitely be investigated, although I want to say I've read an article that already did that and detailed that there was a lot of Russian lobbying - maybe even a prominent Russian lawyer being arrested or deported; and I think one of the ones from the recent stuff was involved as well?), and then this relatively small situation revived it, and established that Russia was partaking in that so they were again specifically targeted by it (meaning, Russia was not pulling the wool over people's eyes like they seemed to believe they were).

Nor did I realize it was because Russia was infiltrating the Republican party and slowly working to get the American government full on enabling Putin's corruption. I really feel like this aspect is kinda being overlooked, or hasn't blown into a huge comprehensive story yet (it has made some waves but hasn't hit critical mass). It would help explain why Republicans have been protecting Turmp so much, as if I were them I'd have looked at being able to ditch Turmp, declare him a traitor - and thus your party as defender of America - and get Pence in as a huge win. I think they know that if Turmp is done over it, it opens the floodgates on them as well. Their fate was tied to him the moment he worked that deal (which might also explain why they flipped from hating him to supporting him so much, stuff that people saw as how insanely irrational they had become to it actually just being them simply being corrupt and us not knowing that aspect yet).

I remember finding it odd at the time how some Republicans were sounding the alarm on Russia (although for different reasons, like Romney talking about their military buildup - which is troublesome but was overblown and no cause for us to try and start spending hundreds of billions more to counter with our own military buildup) or dismissing them (McCain calling them a gas station - which the language is notable because US government enabling drilling was definitely aimed at hurting Russia, Iran, and Venezuela by tanking oil prices and presenting an alternative supplier), but some of the others were pretty quickly framing it as some huge diplomatic failure by Obama (I think that began prior to that whole situation though, but it seems like there was a lot more talk about that after 2012, with the entire Syrian situation even being framed that way after that and of course Ukraine).

Good post. This is what I've been saying for over a year about that Trump Tower meeting. Example:

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...recuse-on-russia.2511576/page-2#post-38992405

Everyone was assuming the talk of "adoptions" was pure fabrication, but it's actually a criminally significant admission. No chance they fabricated something this random out of whole cloth. They were discussing adoptions of Russian babies, which Putin ended in retaliation for the Magnitsky Act, in the same meeting that they were discussing getting dirt on Clinton. It's an obvious quid pro quo. Which is hugely significant here. Seeking dirt alone could violate certain election laws. But this kind of arrangement is classic political corruption, influence and favor trading, but writ large as it goes to a hostile foreign government.

I don't think people assumed it was fabrication, more that people saw "adoptions" as sorta a code word, when they were really discussing the sanctions. Its kinda nitpicking since most people knew it was about the sanctions either way. Actually, didn't someone even full on admit they talked to Russians about sanctions (was it Sessions? when he first said he didn't meet with any, then said, oh yeah I had a chat about the sanctions when I was a Congressman, but that wasn't illegal; I think someone else did as well, said Russia approached them wanting to get something done about the sanctions and they then went to the Turmp campaign with it and things started kinda coming together from there)? I just don't find them saying adoptions as a smoking gun when there's plenty other that shows they were definitely talking sanctions with regards to this.

I think the bigger thing would be, is the Russian adoption thing beyond just this? Meaning, was it being used for other corruption prior to this, which is why Putin felt it would send a message over the Magnitsky Act? Because it definitely doesn't seem on equal footing (and I recall people being confused and even joking about that being Russia's response at the time), and when the US does something Russia usually responds in kind (like throwing out diplomats and the like). I can't imagine Putin was doing it to setup an alibi for a meeting that would happen almost 4 years in the future.

Is it a pedophile/human trafficking ring? Not even joking about that. Coupled with conservatives fixation on that, and how regularly when they make a fuss about something they seem to end up being found to be doing it themselves. I think there's more to this adoption setup than we know so far.
 

zinfamous

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I think you're grossly covering up how big of a story the Browder and Magnitsky story was at the time. Lots of people were aware of it and the media covered it quite a bit (if I remember right, the media already was sounding the alarm on Putin and keen to give credibility to why). It was a pretty big deal.

I've posted about it before (I think I even commented that it likely directly led to Russia's involvement in Syria, and led to their offer/deal with Turmp, they were pissed about it). I don't think I made the case about the connection between the adoptions (mostly because I didn't feel it was necessary, I mean I guess for ironclad legal evidence its necessary to make the direct connection, but I don't think there was any question that the meeting and collusion involved Putin wanting to have the Magnitsky Act undone, that was always a major impetus behind it, they - well Don Jr IIRC - already admitted to meeting about getting the DNC/Clinton info so its not like most people were going "oh they just talked about adoptions"). I guess what I'm saying is, this seems like its already pretty well established.

The thing is, I wasn't aware why it set off Putin so much. I thought it was just a public embarrassment that showed the corruption of his government, maybe with some extra personal involvement (meaning it was a favor for a Putin friend or Putin had some direct involvement in the situation this uncovered), but now we see, it effectively was the tip of the iceberg for what they were up to.

The first was that it upset them robbing the Russian people blind (via working deals with foreign companies, where if it got caught, they'd just blame the foreigners, and do a big "we're tough on corruption" sham trial and play to xenophobes, which is what we've seen them do since). It was doubly hurtful in that the US were actually in the process of repealing the law - the Jackson-Vanik amendment - that basically probably took down the Soviet Union (I believe it is what enabled the US sanctioning countries over human rights violations, and definitely targeted at the Communist Bloc, and caused the USSR to struggle to keep up economically which rotted the USSR from within). So they were that close to basically no longer having to worry about that (who sponsored repealing that or where the motivation from it should definitely be investigated, although I want to say I've read an article that already did that and detailed that there was a lot of Russian lobbying - maybe even a prominent Russian lawyer being arrested or deported; and I think one of the ones from the recent stuff was involved as well?), and then this relatively small situation revived it, and established that Russia was partaking in that so they were again specifically targeted by it (meaning, Russia was not pulling the wool over people's eyes like they seemed to believe they were).

Nor did I realize it was because Russia was infiltrating the Republican party and slowly working to get the American government full on enabling Putin's corruption. I really feel like this aspect is kinda being overlooked, or hasn't blown into a huge comprehensive story yet (it has made some waves but hasn't hit critical mass). It would help explain why Republicans have been protecting Turmp so much, as if I were them I'd have looked at being able to ditch Turmp, declare him a traitor - and thus your party as defender of America - and get Pence in as a huge win. I think they know that if Turmp is done over it, it opens the floodgates on them as well. Their fate was tied to him the moment he worked that deal (which might also explain why they flipped from hating him to supporting him so much, stuff that people saw as how insanely irrational they had become to it actually just being them simply being corrupt and us not knowing that aspect yet).

I remember finding it odd at the time how some Republicans were sounding the alarm on Russia (although for different reasons, like Romney talking about their military buildup - which is troublesome but was overblown and no cause for us to try and start spending hundreds of billions more to counter with our own military buildup) or dismissing them (McCain calling them a gas station - which the language is notable because US government enabling drilling was definitely aimed at hurting Russia, Iran, and Venezuela by tanking oil prices and presenting an alternative supplier), but some of the others were pretty quickly framing it as some huge diplomatic failure by Obama (I think that began prior to that whole situation though, but it seems like there was a lot more talk about that after 2012, with the entire Syrian situation even being framed that way after that and of course Ukraine).



I don't think people assumed it was fabrication, more that people saw "adoptions" as sorta a code word, when they were really discussing the sanctions. Its kinda nitpicking since most people knew it was about the sanctions either way. Actually, didn't someone even full on admit they talked to Russians about sanctions (was it Sessions? when he first said he didn't meet with any, then said, oh yeah I had a chat about the sanctions when I was a Congressman, but that wasn't illegal; I think someone else did as well, said Russia approached them wanting to get something done about the sanctions and they then went to the Turmp campaign with it and things started kinda coming together from there)? I just don't find them saying adoptions as a smoking gun when there's plenty other that shows they were definitely talking sanctions with regards to this.

I think the bigger thing would be, is the Russian adoption thing beyond just this? Meaning, was it being used for other corruption prior to this, which is why Putin felt it would send a message over the Magnitsky Act? Because it definitely doesn't seem on equal footing (and I recall people being confused and even joking about that being Russia's response at the time), and when the US does something Russia usually responds in kind (like throwing out diplomats and the like). I can't imagine Putin was doing it to setup an alibi for a meeting that would happen almost 4 years in the future.

Is it a pedophile/human trafficking ring? Not even joking about that. Coupled with conservatives fixation on that, and how regularly when they make a fuss about something they seem to end up being found to be doing it themselves. I think there's more to this adoption setup than we know so far.

I don't think I was attempting to "cover up a a lack of reporting," just that I never really saw this connection made so thoroughly in most of the primary media sources. ...I also don't have cable, so I'm never watching any of those news programs. It's really just Newshour for me, local news (rarely national stuff), print journalism (New Yorker and I get weekend Washington Posts). I know I've read about this stuff in fragments before, but there has been so much of it that I find it easy to forget all the pieces and all the actors. Me recollection of the primary, 1 minute sound bite coverage of the Trump Tower meeting, is that the Trump campaign claim of "adoption talks" was usually just written off as a bizarre lie--that obviously they weren't talking about adoptions--how silly! I certainly could have missed it, but that's pretty much where my head was.

In full honesty, this is the first article that turned my head into the concept of: "Uh, holy shit...they actually were talking about adoptions at some point....which is what is actually so damning about this. These fuckers are admitting everything and they probably don't know it."
 

zinfamous

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brycejones

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This is good if for nothing else, it implies that a malignant tumor like Roger Stone is going to face justice as well.

This net seems pretty wide, and all the fucking Swamp motherfuckers are getting taken out...well, one hopes.

Hey, Trump could still be correct about draining the swamp, right?

This is what Q was telling us about. Mueller and Trump have been running a sting this whole time and now they are going to start taking them out. But who knew the evil deep state was composed primarily of members of the GOP. Trump has been working to take down the GOP the entire time.
 

zinfamous

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This is what Q was telling us about. Mueller and Trump have been running a sting this whole time and now they are going to start taking them out. But who knew the evil deep state was composed primarily of members of the GOP. Trump has been working to take down the GOP the entire time.

Obviously. And then Trump is going to liquidate all of Trump organization and donate the proceeds to establishing no less than 3 dozen immigrant boarding and job-placement centers throughout the southwest and midwest, providing free healthcare and birthing clinics to all pregnant illegal boarder crossers, and set up 3 major cancer research institutes that offer free and unlimited state-of-the-art, trial-class treatment without FDA restrictions.

He's also going to declare all golf courses as Superfund sites, claim them as federal property, then restore them to natural, wild, public land as parks for everyone. Half of them will be converted to communes for homeless throughout the US, or donated as extensions to existing native tribal reservation territory. (actually, this last one is the entirety of my platform when I run for president/congressman/lobby for EPA administrator gig)
 

zinfamous

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Remember the story of the doorman who alleged Trump fathered a child with a housekeeer? Well. He had a catch and kill with AMI (National Enquirer) which has been obtained by CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/24/politics/trump-tower-doorman-contract-ami/index.html

LoL, it just piles on.

Fuck this Trump asshole's life: Political "career," over. US Professional life, over. Personal Life, "over."

This is basically salting the earth before the troops arrived. Wonder what's going to happen after they plow through?

Couldn't have happened to worse piece of shit.
 
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Maxima1

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LoL, it just piles on.

Fuck this Trump asshole's life: Political "career," over. US Professional life, over. Personal Life, "over."

This is basically salting the earth before the troops arrived. Wonder what's going to happen after they plow through?

Couldn't have happened to worse piece of shit.

Bannon says Donnie has over 100 NDAs with women. Probably a significant amount involving abortions.
 

zinfamous

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Bannon says Donnie has over 100 NDAs with women. Probably a significant amount involving abortions.

I wonder how many people doubt this reality? I think Tiffany is the "experiment": the one that was allowed to live.

Honestly, if anything could possibly chip that unending 30% support from the wacko evangelicals, it's revelations that the Trump Foundation is really just an abortion factory that processes human fetal meat bound for the still-secret Siberian Gulag and inner China.

Here we go, fellas. The end game!
 

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I am starting to feel this is much bigger than just Trump, with Pecker and CFO immunity Mueller probe casting a much bigger net? Those 3 guys knew all the shit dealing, maybe Mueller looking at everyone that benefit from Trump, big oil, GOP, SA, Qatar, Israel, Russia, news network.....
 
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