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hal2kilo

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There are still way too many loose threads and unanswered questions for Mueller to just wrap up and push out a report in 2 weeks:

- What's going on with that mysterious state-owned foreign company that saw dozens of sealed motions in December/January and went all the way to SCOTUS?
- What's going on with Jerome Corsi--is he going to be indicted? Did he avoid indictment just by retracting his Seth Rich story? I'm confused...
- What's gonna happen to Erik Prince, who is now on record as lying about not attending certain meetings with certain foreign agents? Is Nader's cooperation going to yield any fruit on what went down in the Seychelles?
- Whatever happened with Alfa Bank and that mysterious server in Trump Tower?
- What about the 18 (as of my last count) sealed indictments still sitting in the DC docket?
All very good questions. If none of those ever get answered, the fix is in with Barr.
 

Thrashard

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Why are there soooo many men with "Bald Heads" working for Goldman Sachs? I think the Indictments should start there
 

Jhhnn

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I think the Democrats got baited into voting for this. Regardless, everything about this investigation should be transparent. We should be doing this for every president elect or never doing again. We will never know what happened unless it is 100% transparent. I can't imagine any information about an election investigation that should be redacted. One side wants to know if there is something criminal not being reported and the other wants to know if this was a politically motivated shit show.

Nice blend of bullshit with a little truth thrown in.

Dems have called for a full reveal all along. I mean, shee-it, Sherlock- it's Trump's dirty laundry.

The notion that we should subject all future presidents to something like this is absurd. Trump brought this all on himself.

Just remember- Putin loves Trump & made a serious effort to aid in his election. He surely did & we both know it. It ain't for the MAGA, bet on that.
 

Jhhnn

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Graham just blocked it from proceeding in the Senate.

That doesn't even matter except as a way for Senate Repubs to stay outside the blast radius. There's no way Barr can redact anything from the House intelligence committee, anyway. Their security clearances are of the highest order. He doesn't want to live that shitstorm.

Weissman stepping down from the Special Counsel office & returning to private life is a strategic move, I figure. Executive privilege no longer applies. I'm sure he'll answer any questions before Congress in a truthful manner after the report is issued.
 
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He doesn't want to live that shitstorm.

He was hired specifically to weather this shitstorm. He has fairly extreme views on how untouchable a President should be, and you can be damn sure Trump asked for iron clad assurances of personal loyalty from him before nominating him. If the report is as damning as we all expect he is going to put up ever block in his considerable power to stop it.
 

Jhhnn

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He was hired specifically to weather this shitstorm. He has fairly extreme views on how untouchable a President should be, and you can be damn sure Trump asked for iron clad assurances of personal loyalty from him before nominating him. If the report is as damning as we all expect he is going to put up ever block in his considerable power to stop it.

Please. He'd spend the next two years being roasted alive in one Congressional hearing after another. There's also no way he can quash any indictments filed by Mueller's team.
 

Maxima1

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Please. He'd spend the next two years being roasted alive in one Congressional hearing after another. There's also no way he can quash any indictments filed by Mueller's team.

i agree that the investigation is too far along. Rosenstein also seems to think having Barr there means it's in good hands. However, from what I understand, Mueller would have to submit a request to Barr for an exception to indict Donnie. That's pretty significant if they disagree.
 

Jhhnn

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i agree that the investigation is too far along. Rosenstein also seems to think having Barr there means it's in good hands. However, from what I understand, Mueller would have to submit a request to Barr for an exception to indict Donnie. That's pretty significant if they disagree.

Mueller already declined the opportunity to indict Trump in the pornstar payoff scheme, using Individual_1 as a euphemism for an unindicted co-conspirator instead. It's obvious that anybody else would have been charged.

I'm confident he sees impeachment & removal as necessary steps prior to any indictment. When & if that happens the indictments will have already been written. They'll be waiting for Trump whenever & however he leaves office.
 
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i agree that the investigation is too far along. Rosenstein also seems to think having Barr there means it's in good hands. However, from what I understand, Mueller would have to submit a request to Barr for an exception to indict Donnie. That's pretty significant if they disagree.

Haha I supposed you feel the same about Her email & Benghazi.
 

SMOGZINN

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Please. He'd spend the next two years being roasted alive in one Congressional hearing after another.

Yes, he will spend two years being yelled at by congress critters. That is essentially what he was hired to do, be fire wall for Trump. While Congress is spending time roasting him Trump is not being roasted. I'm also betting he has a very poor memory of anything not covered by Presidential privilege.

There's also no way he can quash any indictments filed by Mueller's team.

Why not? It does not look like Mueller has much of a team left. Have you not noticed that most of his team has left? Mueller is winding this down. Any more indictments coming will be handed off to other parts of the DOJ, which most definitely will have to be approved by Barr.
 

interchange

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Mueller already declined the opportunity to indict Trump in the pornstar payoff scheme, using Individual_1 as a euphemism for an unindicted co-conspirator instead. It's obvious that anybody else would have been charged.

I'm confident he sees impeachment & removal as necessary steps prior to any indictment. When & if that happens the indictments will have already been written. They'll be waiting for Trump whenever & however he leaves office.

That wasn't part of the Mueller probe. I remember speculation that Mueller turned over evidence to the FBI to raid Cohen's office in relation to that or other criminal behavior, but I'm not sure that was even confirmed.

Regardless, it was not in any way Mueller's call whether to indict Trump for campaign finance violation.
 

Maxima1

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Haha I supposed you feel the same about Her email & Benghazi.

lolwut I don't understand your post. So I'm hoping they indict Donnie. Where have I ever said Hillary should be indicted? I have no idea why you're bringing up Benghazi to me.

Mueller already declined the opportunity to indict Trump in the pornstar payoff scheme, using Individual_1 as a euphemism for an unindicted co-conspirator instead. It's obvious that anybody else would have been charged.

Perhaps because he's not done? Maybe because it's not the most significant thing? They've been redacting a lot in the filings, and there are still a ton of loose ends.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, he will spend two years being yelled at by congress critters. That is essentially what he was hired to do, be fire wall for Trump. While Congress is spending time roasting him Trump is not being roasted. I'm also betting he has a very poor memory of anything not covered by Presidential privilege.



Why not? It does not look like Mueller has much of a team left. Have you not noticed that most of his team has left? Mueller is winding this down. Any more indictments coming will be handed off to other parts of the DOJ, which most definitely will have to be approved by Barr.

Bullshit. You couldn't back up the claim that most of Mueller's team has left if your life depended upon it. He started out with 16. Name those who have left.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-robert-muellers-army

They all have/had staff, of course.

If you think Barr can actually stop the Special Counsel or a US Attorney from filing any indictment you're out of your mind. He can fire them afterwards at his own peril.

I mean, WTF do you think? That there's no integrity left, or what?
 

hal2kilo

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That wasn't part of the Mueller probe. I remember speculation that Mueller turned over evidence to the FBI to raid Cohen's office in relation to that or other criminal behavior, but I'm not sure that was even confirmed.

Regardless, it was not in any way Mueller's call whether to indict Trump for campaign finance violation.
People keep thinking the investigations are all coming to an end. Mueller has farmed out several investigations. Stone's trial isn't until November. Gates isn't being sentenced because he apparently has more evidence to provide. Flynn's lawyers want to think that Flynn has more to offer, but Mueller doesn't think so. I would expect his sentencing to come down pretty soon. Some of this is confusing about what Mueller's timeline is, but, I don't think we've gotten to the half of it.
 

Jhhnn

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That wasn't part of the Mueller probe. I remember speculation that Mueller turned over evidence to the FBI to raid Cohen's office in relation to that or other criminal behavior, but I'm not sure that was even confirmed.

Regardless, it was not in any way Mueller's call whether to indict Trump for campaign finance violation.

You are technically correct that it was the SDNY who prosecuted Cohen & named Individual_1 as an unindicted co-conspirator. The Special counsel found evidence to refer the case to them.

https://www.newsweek.com/michael-cohen-office-raided-fbi-mueller-stormy-daniels-878114
 
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Hell he got a 6 month renewal on the grand jury not too long ago.
 

UNCjigga

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You'll know Mueller is winding down when alt-right media starts leaking details of the Grand jury panel (I.e. how many on the jury donated to anything Democrat/Clinton in the last 30 years?)
 
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lolwut I don't understand your post. So I'm hoping they indict Donnie. Where have I ever said Hillary should be indicted? I have no idea why you're bringing up Benghazi to me.



Perhaps because he's not done? Maybe because it's not the most significant thing? They've been redacting a lot in the filings, and there are still a ton of loose ends.

I’ll help
Benghazi investigations. Most were 2012 to 2015, per the link the FBI has been investigating since 2013 and it’s on going.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigation_into_the_2012_Benghazi_attack

Mueller is like a little over one year.
 

Maxima1

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I’ll help
Benghazi investigations. Most were 2012 to 2015, per the link the FBI has been investigating since 2013 and it’s on going.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigation_into_the_2012_Benghazi_attack

Mueller is like a little over one year.

When I said it was too far along, I meant they've uncovered waaay too much. That's why I responded to Jhhnn the potential act to protect the Republicans would be Barr disagreeing with Mueller on whether a president can be indicted or not.

 

Jhhnn

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Ah I get it

He's speculating about a potential disagreement that likely won't ever happen. While there is scholarly debate about whether a Prez can be indicted or not it doesn't matter, anyway. The Constitutionally clear path is for Congress to act. Nothing else will remove a criminal from the Presidency.
 
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