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gothuevos

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Looks like the $4 million probe-to-nowhere led by John Durham is birthing fresh conspiracies and rumors of indictments again!


I can’t find much in terms of unbiased news sources, but Right Wing News is lit up about “the Clintons” (both?) spying on Trump and trying to infiltrate his servers at Trump Tower and the White House—a crime punishable by death!

Snapping back to reality, the Durham filing seems to equate contracted security researchers investigating DNS traffic between Trump Towers and Alfa Bank with spying. I guess someone needs to explain DNS queries to these guys, because nothing I’ve read indicates an actual breach of the servers in question.

Their investigation just hit the 1000 day mark too.
 

TheVrolok

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Looks like the $4 million probe-to-nowhere led by John Durham is birthing fresh conspiracies and rumors of indictments again!


I can’t find much in terms of unbiased news sources, but Right Wing News is lit up about “the Clintons” (both?) spying on Trump and trying to infiltrate his servers at Trump Tower and the White House—a crime punishable by death!

Snapping back to reality, the Durham filing seems to equate contracted security researchers investigating DNS traffic between Trump Towers and Alfa Bank with spying. I guess someone needs to explain DNS queries to these guys, because nothing I’ve read indicates an actual breach of the servers in question.

Edit:
A thread by Eric Garland seems to indicate there’s more of an implied conspiracy afoot between Clinton camp/Perkins Coie and Steele that had the net effect of poisoning FISA warrants and establishing a false media narrative on Trump’s ties to Russia (though original intent may have been to embarrass the FBI after “her emails” helped swing the election.)

I guess this merits some attention after all…wingnuts may be right to blast the media if they refuse to cover this.

Need to wait for a primary source or something that doesn't lead back to right wing echo chambers. I do suspect this will have the same weight as the Sussman indictment, though. But we'll see!
 

UNCjigga

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Since I posted the Eric Garland Twitter thread, here’s a competing viewpoint from Seth Abramson.


In summary, Eric is saying Durham uncovered a Big Friggin Lie about Trump-Russia connections being fabricated and sold wholesale to the FBI and American public—and this fabrication and sale was ultimately directed by the Clinton campaign via their law firm. My big grain of salt here is whether a firm with the reputation of PC would risk committing major federal crimes for the sake of a client??

Seth’s thread claims this is all a big nothing burger as evidenced by how Durham filed it and the fact no indictments came with it—this didn’t even have to be public but Durham filed it publicly to give red meat to Fox News and the Trump camp who are increasingly irritated with the probe going nowhere.

What I’m still trying to figure out is whether the Trump-Alfa data was “fabricated”—as some claim—or whether the data was real but divulged illegally by parties with access to it (Tech-Executive-1 from Neustar.)

Edit: ok this thread seems to confirm my initial instinct that all of this “pinging data” was real (not fabricated) and is primarily public DNS queries—not stolen. But I’m not 100%.

 
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UNCjigga

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Ughh, this is why you can’t trust Fox News or any right wing news source.

Every story on this Durham filing quotes the word “infiltrate” as if it’s in the actual document Durham released. As in, “Clinton Campaign paid to infiltrate Trump Tower, White House servers”.


They literally put the word in quotes. But it’s nowhere in the actual filing.

Digging deeper in the Faux News article, we see:

"In connection with these efforts, Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data," the filing states. "Tech Executive-1 also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract."

"Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia," Durham states. "In doing so, Tech Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain 'VIPs,' referring to individuals at Law Firm-1 and the Clinton campaign."

Wait…where did “infiltrate” go? How can they put it in quotes if it’s missing from the Durham filing? Where did it come from?

Read further…

Former chief investigator of the Trump-Russia probe for the House Intelligence Committee under then-Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., Kash Patel, said the filing "definitively shows that the Hillary Clinton campaign directly funded and ordered its lawyers at Perkins Coie to orchestrate a criminal enterprise to fabricate a connection between President Trump and Russia."

"Per Durham, this arrangement was put in motion in July of 2016, meaning the Hillary Clinton campaign and her lawyers masterminded the most intricate and coordinated conspiracy against Trump when he was both a candidate and later President of the United States while simultaneously perpetuating the bogus Steele Dossier hoax," Patel told Fox News, adding that the lawyers worked to "infiltrate"Trump Tower and White House servers.

So basically Fox is quoting color commentary from an entirely biased source and framing it in the headline as a charge made in Durham’s filing. Which it most certainly is not.

No, Clinton never paid anyone to “infiltrate” Trump’s servers. In fact, most of the data came from researchers who already had access to the data through a government grant.

Also, no one “fabricated” the data. Kash is claiming that if they were ultimately paid by Clinton to collect the data (in fact, Neustar was paying Perkins Coie) than the data must be “made up”. In fact, the data is real. Whether it really amounted to anything nefarious or even extraordinary is the real question. But Kash inserts the words “infiltrate” and “fabricate” and all of a sudden the right wants to see the Clintons and Marc Elias hung for treason. Fuckwits.
 
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UNCjigga

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But, how is this investigation still going on 3 years later. Wasn't the criticism of the Mueller probe that it was taking so long? And it was completed in less time than this. Damn Dems are fn'ing weak.
Ahh, the joys of an independent judiciary run by Merrick Garland.
 
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TheVrolok

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Ughh, this is why you can’t trust Fox News or any right wing news source.

Every story on this Durham filing quotes the word “infiltrate” as if it’s in the actual document Durham released. As in, “Clinton Campaign paid to infiltrate Trump Tower, White House servers”.


They literally put the word in quotes. But it’s nowhere in the actual filing.

Digging deeper in the Faux News article, we see:

"In connection with these efforts, Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data," the filing states. "Tech Executive-1 also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract."

"Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia," Durham states. "In doing so, Tech Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain 'VIPs,' referring to individuals at Law Firm-1 and the Clinton campaign."

Wait…where did “infiltrate” go? How can they put it in quotes if it’s missing from the Durham filing? Where did it come from?

Read further…

Former chief investigator of the Trump-Russia probe for the House Intelligence Committee under then-Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., Kash Patel, said the filing "definitively shows that the Hillary Clinton campaign directly funded and ordered its lawyers at Perkins Coie to orchestrate a criminal enterprise to fabricate a connection between President Trump and Russia."

"Per Durham, this arrangement was put in motion in July of 2016, meaning the Hillary Clinton campaign and her lawyers masterminded the most intricate and coordinated conspiracy against Trump when he was both a candidate and later President of the United States while simultaneously perpetuating the bogus Steele Dossier hoax," Patel told Fox News, adding that the lawyers worked to "infiltrate"Trump Tower and White House servers.

So basically Fox is quoting color commentary from an entirely biased source and framing it in the headline as a charge made in Durham’s filing. Which it most certainly is not.

No, Clinton never paid anyone to “infiltrate” Trump’s servers. In fact, most of the data came from researchers who already had access to the data through a government grant.

Also, no one “fabricated” the data. Kash is claiming that if they were ultimately paid by Clinton to collect the data (in fact, Neustar was paying Perkins Coie) than the data must be “made up”. In fact, the data is real. Whether it really amounted to anything nefarious or even extraordinary is the real question. But Kash inserts the words “infiltrate” and “fabricate” and all of a sudden the right wants to see the Clintons and Marc Elias hung for treason. Fuckwits.
So less than the Sussman indictment which in and of itself was pretty ridiculous. Shocking.
 

Dave_5k

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Ughh, this is why you can’t trust Fox News or any right wing news source.

Every story on this Durham filing quotes the word “infiltrate” as if it’s in the actual document Durham released. As in, “Clinton Campaign paid to infiltrate Trump Tower, White House servers”.


They literally put the word in quotes. But it’s nowhere in the actual filing.
Pondering if this meets the "actual malice" standard, or if Fox is successfully just skirting around the edges of libel yet again...
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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The last couple times I flipped by Fox they are still whining about MSM not covering this important story.
 

Commodus

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So now that we know all that data collected was gathered during the Obama administration, do we think Jim Jordan will correct his false statement regarding spying on sitting President Trump?

Jim Jordan wouldn't correct a false statement even if he were testifying in court and immediately presented with video evidence showing he lied.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Ughh, this is why you can’t trust Fox News or any right wing news source.

Every story on this Durham filing quotes the word “infiltrate” as if it’s in the actual document Durham released. As in, “Clinton Campaign paid to infiltrate Trump Tower, White House servers”.


They literally put the word in quotes. But it’s nowhere in the actual filing.

Digging deeper in the Faux News article, we see:

"In connection with these efforts, Tech Executive-1 exploited his access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data," the filing states. "Tech Executive-1 also enlisted the assistance of researchers at a U.S.-based university who were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract."

"Tech Executive-1 tasked these researchers to mine Internet data to establish 'an inference' and 'narrative' tying then-candidate Trump to Russia," Durham states. "In doing so, Tech Executive-1 indicated that he was seeking to please certain 'VIPs,' referring to individuals at Law Firm-1 and the Clinton campaign."

Wait…where did “infiltrate” go? How can they put it in quotes if it’s missing from the Durham filing? Where did it come from?

Read further…

Former chief investigator of the Trump-Russia probe for the House Intelligence Committee under then-Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., Kash Patel, said the filing "definitively shows that the Hillary Clinton campaign directly funded and ordered its lawyers at Perkins Coie to orchestrate a criminal enterprise to fabricate a connection between President Trump and Russia."

"Per Durham, this arrangement was put in motion in July of 2016, meaning the Hillary Clinton campaign and her lawyers masterminded the most intricate and coordinated conspiracy against Trump when he was both a candidate and later President of the United States while simultaneously perpetuating the bogus Steele Dossier hoax," Patel told Fox News, adding that the lawyers worked to "infiltrate"Trump Tower and White House servers.

So basically Fox is quoting color commentary from an entirely biased source and framing it in the headline as a charge made in Durham’s filing. Which it most certainly is not.

No, Clinton never paid anyone to “infiltrate” Trump’s servers. In fact, most of the data came from researchers who already had access to the data through a government grant.

Also, no one “fabricated” the data. Kash is claiming that if they were ultimately paid by Clinton to collect the data (in fact, Neustar was paying Perkins Coie) than the data must be “made up”. In fact, the data is real. Whether it really amounted to anything nefarious or even extraordinary is the real question. But Kash inserts the words “infiltrate” and “fabricate” and all of a sudden the right wants to see the Clintons and Marc Elias hung for treason. Fuckwits.
Is this the sqlserver that was syncing with a russian server? Something about alot of dns lookups etc…. And Clinton paid someone to find out what that communication was about?
Fuck Fox News… Fox has to go.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Is this the sqlserver that was syncing with a russian server? Something about alot of dns lookups etc…. And Clinton paid someone to find out what that communication was about?
Fuck Fox News… Fox has to go.
Ops research. Not illegal. Sorry the Pubs got a hold of it, then went spastic. Not Dems fault.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
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Seriously though, cant she sue tf out of them?
Not when Durham's case is so flimsy.

Is John Durham Deliberately Stoking Right-Wing Conspiracy Theories? – Mother Jones

Prosecutors have much discretion when it comes to telling the stories of their cases. They can stick to the narrow specifics of the allegations. They can elaborate. Through his tenure as special consul, Durham has chosen to use narrow indictments to disseminate information that suggests wider conspiracies. That ought to place a weighty burden on him to be fair and accurate—and to not feed any partisan conspiracy fever. Yet Durham’s latest filing falls short of that standard and fuels the suspicion that he might be more conspirator than investigator.
 
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dank69

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Not when Durham's case is so flimsy.

Is John Durham Deliberately Stoking Right-Wing Conspiracy Theories? – Mother Jones

Prosecutors have much discretion when it comes to telling the stories of their cases. They can stick to the narrow specifics of the allegations. They can elaborate. Through his tenure as special consul, Durham has chosen to use narrow indictments to disseminate information that suggests wider conspiracies. That ought to place a weighty burden on him to be fair and accurate—and to not feed any partisan conspiracy fever. Yet Durham’s latest filing falls short of that standard and fuels the suspicion that he might be more conspirator than investigator.
Haha "might"
 
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