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fskimospy

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By the way, as per Trump's obstruction of justice consider this timeline: (saw this on twitter)

1/24: Flynn lies to the FBI.
1/26: Acting Attorney General Yates warns the White House that Flynn lied to the FBI.
1/27: Trump doesn't fire Flynn, instead asks the head of the FBI to pledge his loyalty to him.
1/30: Trump fires the Acting Attorney General.

Ouch.
 

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Ty Cobb. So the admin managed to resurrect the corpse of the most racist, miserable athlete in history to represent them? This is actually pretty cool.

Ty Cobb by name...Teddy Roosevelt by appearance.

 

Hayabusa Rider

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He's not only been charged he is expected to plead guilty today.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

"Michael Flynn will plead guilty Friday to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador, according to court documents."


Considering what we think we know those are relatively minor crimes. If he was conspiring with foreign powers then the penalties would be far, far harsher. That leaves me with one or two possibilities likely. Either these are preliminary charges and more is to come, or he's flipped for lesser charges and we're looking at a George Papadopoulos scenario. That's most likely I think because Flynn's legal reps broke off communication with others in potential trouble. Flynn is a big fish and I don't think the importance of Mueller charging him coupled with Flynn's plea can be overstated. Well, I hope not, but that's where things seem to stand at the moment.
 
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Considering what we think we know those are relatively minor crimes. If he was conspiring with foreign powers then the penalties would be far, far harsher. That leaves me with one or two possibilities likely. Either these are preliminary charges and more is to come, or he's flipped for lesser charges and we're looking at a George Papadopoulos scenario. That's most likely I think because Flynn's legal reps broke off communication with others in potential trouble. Flynn is a big fish and I don't think the importance of Mueller charging him coupled with Flynn's plea can be overstated. Well, I hope not, but that's where things seem to stand at the moment.

I think they are holding the more serious ones back to make sure he sings like a bird. No good info...here's another 20 indictments. And 10 on your kid for good measure. There's also a chance they are holding some of that at a state level as cockblock for presidential pardon. Trump can't pardon him for state crimes.
 

Commodus

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You know, for a campaign and administration that's supposedly "draining the swamp," there sure are a lot of people facing criminal charges, and implicating others by extension.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think they are holding the more serious ones back to make sure he sings like a bird. No good info...here's another 20 indictments. And 10 on your kid for good measure. There's also a chance they are holding some of that at a state level as cockblock for presidential pardon. Trump can't pardon him for state crimes.


Which leaves the GOP with more headaches. Trump has approached at least 7 Republicans to kill Congressional investigations. Normally they might choose self interest over Trump when criminal problems for him become a real possibility, however, they are also on the hook to the top fraction of a percent to deliver and not backing Trump at this time becomes a real problem for their tax schemes. They've sold their souls, whatever was left anyway and really have no good direction to run. Does the GOP slit its throat for taxes or live to fight another day and dump Trump? I don't know but I have no sympathy for any of them.
 
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I wonder if any of those people laughing about how crazy people were for thinking indictments were coming will come back and apologize for being so comically wrong. My guess is no.

I mean the fucking national security adviser is going to prison (or copping a plea to stay out of prison) for lying to the FBI about his dealings with hostile foreign powers. In any other administration this would be a nuclear level event. This one is so corrupt it will be moved on from in a few days after news of even larger corruption emerges.
no more boomerang "are the indictments happening yet" lazy sunday morning posts....too bad.
 

Linux23

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This is probably a good time to remind everyone that Obama specifically told Trump NOT to hire Flynn and was ignored.
Lol. Obama gave that orange cumdumpster a heads-up and he ignores him because he wasn't born in the USA. His hatred for Obama blinded him and now i pray that this bites Drumpf and his entire spoiled family of cockroaches in the ass.

LOCK THEM ALL UP!!!!!!
 

Thump553

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He's not only been charged he is expected to plead guilty today.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

"Michael Flynn will plead guilty Friday to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador, according to court documents."

Hmm, pleading guilty to only one charge (but a felony I presume), no word of any charges against his son, and to plead guilty on the same day the news cycle is going to be dominated by the GOP tax bill.

Also Mueller has plenty of other fairly obvious and relatively easy charges to bring against both Flynn and his son at this point.

Seems to me to be a pretty safe bet that (a) Flynn has flipped and will be a cooperating witness of real value and (b) The Donald will go into hypermode twit storm this weekend, especially if the Senate doesn't cram through some version of their Xmas gift to billionaires today. I pray they keep the nuclear football away from him somehow, I wouldn't put it beyond Trump that he goes completely off the deep end very soon.
 
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I do hope Flynn is telling Mueller that Trump specifically told him to make these requests to Kislyak or he at least had knowledge of it before hand.
 

K1052

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ABC is reporting that Flynn will testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians.
 

pete6032

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Lol front page of fox news has a huge picture of Hillary and says:

"WHACK-A-MOLE"
Secret emails detail FBI’s hunt for leaker after infamous Lynch-Clinton tarmac meeting
The revelation last year of an unorthodox tarmac meeting set off a frenzied scramble at the FBI to track down the source, newly released documents show.

Every other news website is covering Flynn
 
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I wonder if any Senators/Representatives have reached out to advise Trump to be mindful of what he says or tweets about this or has Trump burned so many bridges nobody stepped up
 

K1052

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Flynn will testify against Trump, the Trump family, members of the campaign, and officials in the administration.

The fit has hit the shan.
 

Commodus

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no more boomerang "are the indictments happening yet" lazy sunday morning posts....too bad.

Don't worry, he'll just switch to "but this will never directly affect Trump" claims... until it does, of course. Anything to avoid dealing with reality.
 

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ABC is reporting that Flynn will testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians.

Would love to have a blood pressure monitor on Donnie Two Scoops today. That baby is probably pegged.

Is Flynn under any protection? This is some high level finger pointing.
 

UNCjigga

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Velshi and Ruhle are having an interesting conversation with Erik Prince regarding Flynn on MSNBC right now...
 

Hayabusa Rider

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ABC is reporting that Flynn will testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians.

I don't think that in itself is a stake in Trump's heart in itself. What matters is the purpose and content of those conversations. If you haven't read Seth Abramson's tweets I linked to you should. It appears Trump may be clubbed like a baby seal, hopefully before his administration finishes its first year.
 

K1052

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I don't think that in itself is a stake in Trump's heart in itself. What matters is the purpose and content of those conversations. If you haven't read Seth Abramson's tweets I linked to you should. It appears Trump may be clubbed like a baby seal, hopefully before his administration finishes its first year.

I'll go take a look. Keeping up with political twitter now is like trying to drink from an overflowing dam spillway.
 
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