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Man they admit Trump knew Flynn lied to the FBI and to Pence in January and still kept him on until the story was about to break. He should have been let go immediately.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/wh-lawyer-told-trump-flynn-misled-fbi-pence/index.html

The White House's chief lawyer told President Donald Trump in January he believed then-national security adviser Michael Flynn had misled the FBI and lied to Vice President Mike Pence and should be fired, a source familiar with the matter said Monday.

The description of the conversation raises new questions about what Trump knew about Flynn's situation when he urged then-FBI Director James Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn and whether anyone in the White House, including the President himself, attempted to obstruct justice. Special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russians, a probe led by Comey until Trump fired him.
 

hal2kilo

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Last time I checked people convicted of lying don't make credible witnesses. Mueller just burned this witness of any value he could have at a trial. My understanding is that the things he lied about were not crimes but were politically embarrassing.
I think you've conflated some conservative talking points in your analysis.
 

bshole

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I think you've conflated some conservative talking points in your analysis.

I honestly believe the conservatives want liberals focused like a laser beam on Russia while they loot the treasury, gut internet privacy, trash the education system, etc.... At this point I am seeing far far far far more influence on our system by corrupt American billionaires and their political cronies than Russia. I see the influence of American billionaires as an existential threat to our system. Russia as a threat is not even on my radar.
 

Commodus

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I honestly believe the conservatives want liberals focused like a laser beam on Russia while they loot the treasury, gut internet privacy, trash the education system, etc.... At this point I am seeing far far far far more influence on our system by corrupt American billionaires and their political cronies than Russia. I see the influence of American billionaires as an existential threat to our system. Russia as a threat is not even on my radar.

I'm not sure they do. It's not so much Russia itself as the fear that Mueller is working his way up the chain and may well put Republicans in an 'impossible' situation where they have to take action against Trump to avoid facing a rout in 2018 or 2020. Not to say that Republicans won't try to avoid action if they think there's even the slightest chance of winning the vote, but they don't want to even get close to that possibility.
 

Blackjack200

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I'm not sure they do. It's not so much Russia itself as the fear that Mueller is working his way up the chain and may well put Republicans in an 'impossible' situation where they have to take action against Trump to avoid facing a rout in 2018 or 2020. Not to say that Republicans won't try to avoid action if they think there's even the slightest chance of winning the vote, but they don't want to even get close to that possibility.

You're aware that Alabama is on the cusp of electing a child rapist, right?
 

Commodus

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Last time I checked people convicted of lying don't make credible witnesses. Mueller just burned this witness of any value he could have at a trial. My understanding is that the things he lied about were not crimes but were politically embarrassing.

I don't think that's true. Yeah, the defense could say "if he lied then, why should we trust him now," but that wouldn't hold up by itself. And what Flynn lied about is a crime -- he wouldn't have pleaded guilty if there weren't a criminal basis for it.

Whether or not Flynn's cooperation is useful is another story, but Mueller is extremely well-versed in this and has so far shown evidence of both moving quickly and using leverage carefully. If he didn't think Flynn would have much to offer, he would have thrown the book at him -- there's plenty of evidence for that.
 

nickqt

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Last time I checked people convicted of lying don't make credible witnesses. Mueller just burned this witness of any value he could have at a trial. My understanding is that the things he lied about were not crimes but were politically embarrassing.
You might want to let the criminal justice system know, since they've been using this tactic for the last few hundred years to prosecute criminal organizations.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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Yes, but this is also Alabama, one deeply Republican state. The GOP knows it's a tougher battle persuading a broader section of the US.

I mean, Trump had credible accusations of sexual assault when he was elected. I don't think norms are going to do the work you're expecting them to is my only point.
 

zinfamous

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You're aware that Alabama is on the cusp of electing a child rapist, right?

Alabama electing a child rapist doesn't tell republicans anything they already didn't know: "Hey, looks like we can still depend on Alabama for the shit vote"
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Alabama electing a child rapist doesn't tell republicans anything they already didn't know: "Hey, looks like we can still depend on Alabama for the shit vote"

Ok. Please tell me what "X" is in the following sentence.

Formal charges were never filed against Trump or Pence, but after X high ranking Republicans and high profile conservatives abandoned support of the Administration, splitting Trump and his supporters from the broader conservative constituency.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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Alabama electing a child rapist doesn't tell republicans anything they already didn't know: "Hey, looks like we can still depend on Alabama for the shit vote"
Love thy neighbor as thyself has become love thy neighbor's underage daughter as you please.
 

fskimospy

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It looks like KT McFarland also lied to Congress about her contacts with the Russians. At this point it may be easier just to keep a list of people in Trump’s orbit who haven’t been busted lying about the Russians.

You know for a bunch of people who keep insisting there’s nothing to the Russia story they sure get caught lying about it a lot.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/...nn-russia-emails-congressional-testimony.html
 
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Younigue

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Last time I checked people convicted of lying don't make credible witnesses. Mueller just burned this witness of any value he could have at a trial. My understanding is that the things he lied about were not crimes but were politically embarrassing.
I assume that Mueller must have evidence to back up anything (or at least most of what) The Lyin' Flynn says. Because otherwise he would be useless due to his propensity for being a compulsive lying weasel.
 

Pens1566

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I assume that Mueller must have evidence to back up anything (or at least most of what) The Lyin' Flynn says. Because otherwise he would be useless due to his propensity for being a compulsive lying weasel.

Well, you know he has signals intel based on the one count Flynn admitted to. They've got that call recorded. Lots of other interesting captures too, I'm sure.
 
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Pens1566

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Oh, this title needs changed. Something like "MORE Indictments coming" should be accurate.
 
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