my guess is that they intercepted communications. they could have been monitoring either Manafort or the Russian.
How did the special counsel find out that Manafort wrote it?
"Paul Manafort ghost-wrote draft of op-ed with colleague thought to have ties to Russian intelligence"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-m...thought-to-have-ties-to-russian-intelligence/
how can Manafort be this stupid?
Lock him up.Indeed. Manafort shouldn't even be eating borscht right now, let alone violating a court order in cahoots with Russian intelligence. Idiot.
I honestly believe the conservatives want liberals focused like a laser beam on Russia while they loot the treasury, gut internet privacy, trash the education system, etc.... At this point I am seeing far far far far more influence on our system by corrupt American billionaires and their political cronies than Russia. I see the influence of American billionaires as an existential threat to our system. Russia as a threat is not even on my radar.
I'm not sure they do. It's not so much Russia itself as the fear that Mueller is working his way up the chain and may well put Republicans in an 'impossible' situation where they have to take action against Trump to avoid facing a rout in 2018 or 2020. Not to say that Republicans won't try to avoid action if they think there's even the slightest chance of winning the vote, but they don't want to even get close to that possibility.
I mean, Trump had credible accusations of sexual assault when he was elected. I don't think norms are going to do the work you're expecting them to is my only point.
I don't agree. I think Republicans would have no problem rewriting the Constitution to get their way, and they definitely have no problem doing everything short of that. I think they're actually salivating over this investigation now. It is playing into their hands. Because they can decide to use it any which way they want. If they decide Turmp has outstayed his usefulness in office, they can dispose of him, and then they can blame him for all the damage they've done (while getting to keep most of it, they'll build stuff back up some, but it'll still be drastically reduced, they get to look like they compromised and "did the right thing" while still getting what they wanted. Or they can keep using him for cover and then keep doing what they've been doing. Hell they can do both, they can let him firebomb the Democrats for the election, then they can turn on him and dump him. They have Pence sitting pretty (or if they want, they can probably leverage him putting who they want in as Pres, saying if he doesn't they'll impeach him, and then turn around and impeach him after the first time he fucks up; they'll probably also start leveraging doing something about investigation into his businesses if Turmp doesn't go along with what they want).
Oh, and I think they're looking at this eagerly as it gives them a reason to go after the judicial branch. They can point to the cost of the investigation (they're starting to do that now) and trumpet their "fiscal conservative" bullshit, saying the courts are broken and so they have to restrict them to reign in government cost.
Until I actually see it blowing back on them, I am going to keep expecting Republicans to get their way.
Yep.
Listening to conservative talk radio it seems like some of them want to flip this into yet another investigation of Clinton combined with an investigations of the FBI. They blathered on about some guy Mueller fired in the summer. Wouldn't be surprised to see the FBI shredded by the end of this.
A U.S. federal investigator probing alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election asked Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) for data on accounts held by President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday, but Trump’s lawyer denied any such subpoena had been issued.
Oh you mean this guy?Listening to conservative talk radio it seems like some of them want to flip this into yet another investigation of Clinton combined with an investigations of the FBI. They blathered on about some guy Mueller fired in the summer. Wouldn't be surprised to see the FBI shredded by the end of this.
The reason it isn't that big of a deal is he wasn't the only party involved. He wasn't the beginning and the end. He was one of many. There's no proof at all that any bias was exerted. There's just right wing frothing that it must have happened.Not unsurprising that people around here aren't talking about that. If on the other foot, they would be all about it. How it is not a big deal to them in incredible. Just more hypocrisy from the lefties here. Clear bias in a pretty big way, in several big "cases". He obviously had a bias agenda and ranked very highly. Passed judgement while having a conflict of interest to say the least. Hmmm, now where have I see this before.
Rational people also look at bias as undermining impartiality.The reason it isn't that big of a deal is he wasn't the only party involved. He wasn't the beginning and the end. He was one of many. There's no proof at all that any bias was exerted. There's just right wing frothing that it must have happened.
Rational people look at everything and in the absence of any proof they typically don't get all worked up.
Well if you want to play the what if game maybe they are all in the tank for Trump and since this guy wouldn't play ball they manufactured this reason to rid of him.Rational people also look at bias as undermining impartiality.
Rational people also recognize "one of many" as a leading indicator of a potential broader and more systemic problem.
Maybe there were many Clinton waterboys at the FBI which could explain why Comey in the end fired a torpedo at her relative to the Weiner emails.
The text messages may or may not be proof. The content or context certainly will, assuming they are released.
Then why did Mueller feel the need to fire him? That is a hard fact, not open to speculation.Well if you want to play the what if game maybe they are all in the tank for Trump and since this guy wouldn't play ball they manufactured this reason to rid of him.
Your comments aren't rational. They are purely speculative and you've convinced yourself they must be the truth.
Carry on.
Then why did Mueller feel the need to fire him? That is a hard fact, not open to speculation.
Actually, the correct and rational answer is that we should expect full impartiality from both the FBI and an independent investigation, and rational people should demand the assurance that partisanship did not tip the scales of justice.
First he wasn't fired. He was reassigned. He removed him to ensure impartiality. We don't know what he said. We have no proof that anything untoward took place. But the right is responding to this like it's a smoking gun that the whole process if phony and must be stopped. It's stupid.Then why did Mueller feel the need to fire him? That is a hard fact, not open to speculation.
Actually, the correct and rational answer is that we should expect full impartiality from both the FBI and an independent investigation, and rational people should demand the assurance that partisanship did not tip the scales of justice.
Not unsurprising that people around here aren't talking about that. If on the other foot, they would be all about it. How it is not a big deal to them in incredible. Just more hypocrisy from the lefties here. Clear bias in a pretty big way, in several big "cases". He obviously had a bias agenda and ranked very highly. Passed judgement while having a conflict of interest to say the least. Hmmm, now where have I see this before.
Trump was able to operate without scrutiny in the private sector but now that he's in the public sector its killing his mojo.Jesus Christ, conservatives are so desperate to delegitimize the investigation of Trump that they have convinced themselves the FBI, the organization whose actions likely threw the election to Trump, is secretly in the bag for Clinton.
You guys have lost your minds. I know this investigation is looking increasingly catastrophic for Trump but it isn’t due to some conspiracy against him, it’s because it’s increasingly likely he was involved in some really bad shit.
He probably will need to be removed when this is all over. Trying to burn the place down to prevent that isn’t helping.
Plenty of medicine for all. Trump is undoubtedly worst, but Clinton waterboys are largely responsible for his becoming President.You just need a taste of your own medicine. Why did Trump fire Comey?
We all know which ones worse and you manage to ignore it.
So Trump forced this FBI agent to text his mistress? Clinton waterboys just can't seem to keep their mouths shut.Jesus Christ, conservatives are so desperate to delegitimize the investigation of Trump that they have convinced themselves the FBI, the organization whose actions likely threw the election to Trump, is secretly in the bag for Clinton.
You guys have lost your minds. I know this investigation is looking increasingly catastrophic for Trump but it isn’t due to some conspiracy against him, it’s because it’s increasingly likely he was involved in some really bad shit.
He probably will need to be removed when this is all over. Trying to burn the place down to prevent that isn’t helping.
Fired, removed, same difference. Ensuring impartiality suggests the existance of something that undermines impartiality.First he wasn't fired. He was reassigned. He removed him to ensure impartiality. We don't know what he said. We have no proof that anything untoward took place. But the right is responding to this like it's a smoking gun that the whole process if phony and must be stopped. It's stupid.
Plenty of medicine for all. Trump is undoubtedly worst, but Clinton waterboys are largely responsible for his becoming President.
Nuh huh, you made me!!!Lol! Your stupidity continues to amaze me. The people responsible for trump are the people who voted for him and those that didn't vote for the only viable alternative.
But you go ahead and do you, your history of whataboutism is well documented.
Fired, removed, same difference. Ensuring impartiality suggests the existance of something that undermines impartiality.