Indictments coming...

[fskimospy]

Sanders not appealing to black voters is a pernicious myth.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...rnie-sanders-black-voters-20170912-story.html

I didn't say they didn't like him, I said he didn't win them over, and he did not. He lost to Clinton among them by huge margins.

 

[Maxima1]

I didn't say they didn't like him, I said he didn't win them over, and he did not. He lost to Clinton among them by huge margins.

But Hillary didn't win them over when it counted. I guess 2008 Obama should have been the clue.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So your argument essentially boils down to "if there is smoke, there must be fire".

Now apply the same logic to Trump, his business dealings, and his contacts with Russia...

I am applying the same logic. To date, the Mueller investigation moves forward unobstructed. I feel no outrage because the system is working and I want Mueller to have the time to build an ironclad case.

I can't say the same for the Clinton email server investigation. Comey broke protocol due to Lynch and perhaps others exerting unethical influence on the process.

Would be ironic if an over zealous FBI Clinton waterboy provides Trump with ample political ammunition to rationalize pardons or firing Mueller.

 

[Blackjack200]

I didn't say they didn't like him, I said he didn't win them over, and he did not. He lost to Clinton among them by huge margins.

You also said "I think there were other issues present as well, principally Sanders' inability to broaden his appeal outside of white voters."

Which feeds the narrative that Sanders is a brocialist with narrow appeal to Park Slope podcasters living off their parents' dime. The truth is that Sanders absolutely appeals to minority voters, and is in fact the most popular politician in the country for black voters.

 

[Stokely]

100% he confirms something they suspect.
70% he says something really, really stupid and they learn something new.
20% he actually commits a crime in front of them.

First of all, "House Intelligence Committee" as a phrase does not compute. I've seen very little intelligence from House members (zing! try the veal)

Seriously, as mentioned those boobs will lob softballs and will show great agility getting out of the way of any truth that Jr is dumb enough to spout forth. The last thing in the world that the House wants to find out is something that will get Trump (and by proxy, them) in trouble. I trust them as far as I can throw their fat asses.

 

[Thump553]

I find it supremely ironic that Trump apologists go nuts when Mueller removes someone from the investigation because of the mere appearance of bias when Trump personally DEMANDED BIAS in the conduct of the investigation, in the form of personal loyalty to Trump, which Comey refused to do. So Trump sacked him.

Partisan politic outrage apparently must have some source, but at least try to think it through.

 

[vi edit]

Apparently Rick Gates attorneys have been told there may be more charges coming for him.

I still think he was the proxy for funneling Russia money into GOP coffers.

First of all, "House Intelligence Committee" as a phrase does not compute. I've seen very little intelligence from House members (zing! try the veal)

Seriously, as mentioned those boobs will lob softballs and will show great agility getting out of the way of any truth that Jr is dumb enough to spout forth. The last thing in the world that the House wants to find out is something that will get Trump (and by proxy, them) in trouble. I trust them as far as I can throw their fat asses.

Adam Schiff is the only adult in the room and the only reason it's not a total shit show. The House Intel committee has been a good platform to him to build a national image.

 

[zinfamous]

I find it supremely ironic that Trump apologists go nuts when Mueller removes someone from the investigation because of the mere appearance of bias when Trump personally DEMANDED BIAS in the conduct of the investigation, in the form of personal loyalty to Trump, which Comey refused to do. So Trump sacked him.

Partisan politic outrage apparently must have some source, but at least try to think it through.

"Forget it, Thump553, it's Trumplandiatown."

 

[fskimospy]

You also said "I think there were other issues present as well, principally Sanders' inability to broaden his appeal outside of white voters."

Which feeds the narrative that Sanders is a brocialist with narrow appeal to Park Slope podcasters living off their parents' dime. The truth is that Sanders absolutely appeals to minority voters, and is in fact the most popular politician in the country for black voters.

He lost them by fifty points.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Bullshit to the first part. I take that personally.

Then I apologize. I didn't mean to make it personal. I found sales to be a curious and not at all comperable analogy.

Does this mean you agree with the second part.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh and kudos to the Trump trolls for winning this round. The Trump Administration crimes thread has successfully pivoted to yet another "It's Hillary/Bernie/Dems fault!" discussion.

 

[bshole]

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[Jhhnn]

I still think he was the proxy for funneling Russia money into GOP coffers.


Adam Schiff is the only adult in the room and the only reason it's not a total shit show. The House Intel committee has been a good platform to him to build a national image.

Why slime the other democratic members of the committee? They all work together & Schiff is their leader & their point man.

 

[Jhhnn]

If you listen to right wing radio, they are calling for a congressional investigation of Clinton, Obama and the FBI related to the last election. As congress is owned by the Republicans, do not be shocked if it actually happens.

We've seen it all before, a long time ago-

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/syndicated-columnists/article187662578.html

What about Chappaquiddick?

 

[bshole]

We've seen it all before, a long time ago-

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/syndicated-columnists/article187662578.html

What about Chappaquiddick?

The difference is that people with real power are moving on this.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes has directed his staff to prepare a contempt of Congress resolution against FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein for "hiding" a top agent's alleged political bias against President Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ence-officialswith-contempt-congre/919705001/

 

[Blackjack200]

He lost them by fifty points.

And you're suggesting that means that Sanders's message doesn't appeal to non-white voters? I think you know that's specious.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The difference is that people with real power are moving on this.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ence-officialswith-contempt-congre/919705001/

Why is this a problem? Did the people in power write the text? Accountability is a two way street.

 

[fskimospy]

And you're suggesting that means that Sanders's message doesn't appeal to non-white voters? I think you know that's specious.

I'm suggesting exactly what I said earlier, that he wasn't able to expand his appeal to nonwhites in the primary. That doesn't mean they hated him, but they clearly vastly preferred Clinton. Bernie lost the primary because of this.

 

[Jhhnn]

The difference is that people with real power are moving on this.




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ence-officialswith-contempt-congre/919705001/

It doesn't change anything. Public trust in Mueller is high. Trump can't get away with firing Mueller for the same reasons Nixon couldn't get away with the Saturday night massacre. It's gone too far for that, even with Repubs running Congress. They'd be annihilated in the midterms.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why is this a problem? Did the people in power write the text? Accountability is a two way street.

Please. It's obvious that Nunes is complicit with the Trump Admin in whatever they do. It's also perfectly obvious that information control is the responsibility & the right of the DoJ & the FBI in any ongoing investigation. Nunes obviously doesn't feel the same constraints. Giving him anything is like publishing it on their website.

 

[Maxima1]

Why is this a problem? Did the people in power write the text? Accountability is a two way street.

Nunes is a Trump agent. He's part of their long game, and he has plotted this for awhile. They really need to reform how congressional investigations go. They can turn into the biggest joke when one party controls the show.

 

[fskimospy]

Why is this a problem? Did the people in power write the text? Accountability is a two way street.

Nunes was already caught carrying water for Trump and laundering their talking points through him despite leading a supposedly impartial investigation. This is what REAL professional misconduct looks like. (Start at March 21 or so)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...8/the-devin-nunes-wiretapping-saga-explained/

He was given information by the White House and then turned around and pretended he had uncovered something in his investigation so it wasn’t known the White House was the source. He has faced no accountability for this misconduct.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm suggesting exactly what I said earlier, that he wasn't able to expand his appeal to nonwhites in the primary. That doesn't mean they hated him, but they clearly vastly preferred Clinton. Bernie lost the primary because of this.

No, losing to Clinton by 50 points doesn't suggest that he didn't appeal to them, it suggests that they preferred her to him. I think that there's a lot of possible reasons that they might have preferred her to him, but I don't think there's any plausible reason that would suggest weakness among those voters in a GE.

The bottom line is that Sanders is among the most appealing politicians to non-white voters, so any suggestion of a weakness there is unfounded.

 

[Maxima1]

Nunes was already caught carrying water for Trump and laundering their talking points through him despite leading a supposedly impartial investigation. This is what REAL professional misconduct looks like. (Start at March 21 or so)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...8/the-devin-nunes-wiretapping-saga-explained/

He was given information by the White House and then turned around and pretended he had uncovered something in his investigation so it wasn’t known the White House was the source. He has faced no accountability for this misconduct.

Let's not forget he was also part of the transition team. Pretty dumb that he's chairman.

 

[fskimospy]

No, losing to Clinton by 50 points doesn't suggest that he didn't appeal to them, it suggests that they preferred her to him. I think that there's a lot of possible reasons that they might have preferred her to him, but I don't think there's any plausible reason that would suggest weakness among those voters in a GE.

The bottom line is that Sanders is among the most appealing politicians to non-white voters, so any suggestion of a weakness there is unfounded.

This is pointless semantics. I said Sanders wasn't able to expand his appeal beyond white voters in the primary and this is undeniable. The primary electorate is also much more liberal than the GE. If Sanders couldn't win in a more liberal environment it doesn't seem logical to assume that he would have been a stronger GE candidate due to a lack of need to moderate.

I just don't see how any of this logically adds up. Sanders was not a particularly good candidate in 2016 and it showed... because he lost by a lot.