Indictments coming...

[Maxima1]

This is pointless semantics. I said Sanders wasn't able to expand his appeal beyond white voters in the primary and this is undeniable. The primary electorate is also much more liberal than the GE. If Sanders couldn't win in a more liberal environment it doesn't seem logical to assume that he would have been a stronger GE candidate due to a lack of need to moderate.

I just don't see how any of this logically adds up. Sanders was not a particularly good candidate in 2016 and it showed... because he lost by a lot.

BS. A lot of the Independents hated Hillary, and it showed in the polling. She was the epitome of the establishment that so many soured on.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ayed-home-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

Registered voters who didn’t vote were less Republican-leaning

"Let’s look first at the most newsworthy finding: Registered voters who identified as Democrats and independents were more likely than Republicans to stay home."

[...]

"The biggest reason given by non-voters for staying home was that they didn’t like the candidates.
">2 Clinton and Trump both had favorable ratings in the low 30s among registered voters who didn’t cast a ballot — both had ratings in the low 40s among those who did vote."

 

[soundforbjt]

BS. A lot of the Independents hated Hillary, and it showed in the polling. She was the epitome of the establishment that so many soured on.

Yes, a lot of people hated Clinton thanks to years of right wing propaganda. It does work on some normally sane people.

 

[Younigue]

Yes, a lot of people hated Clinton thanks to years of right wing propaganda. It does work on some normally sane people.

It made me question their sanity when I hadn't before.

 

[kage69]

Yes, a lot of people hated Clinton thanks to years of right wing propaganda. It does work on some normally sane people.

In their defense, she didn't always go out of her way to prove them wrong. I imagine acting less entitled to the Presidency could have done some good, perhaps made her run a little harder. Say in a handful of states in the Midwest.

I think combined with the pretty clear desire on Clinton's part to circumvent accountability (noise generators at donor events, private email server, etc) it inspired doubt in those who didn't really know too much about Dump other than he was supposedly anti-establishment. That and single issue voters.

Don't look at me, I voted for her.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yes, a lot of people hated Clinton thanks to years of right wing propaganda. It does work on some normally sane people.

Self inflicted wounds are always the most painful.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Nunes was already caught carrying water for Trump and laundering their talking points through him despite leading a supposedly impartial investigation. This is what REAL professional misconduct looks like. (Start at March 21 or so)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...8/the-devin-nunes-wiretapping-saga-explained/

He was given information by the White House and then turned around and pretended he had uncovered something in his investigation so it wasn’t known the White House was the source. He has faced no accountability for this misconduct.

He is unquestionably carrying water, but hard to carry water if there isn't a spring to fill his buckets.

You avoided my previous question. Under what scenario does a supervisor gain knowledge of an employee's private text messages to the extent that the existence of those very text messages could create a perception of impartiality?

 

[alien42]

Self inflicted wounds are always the most painful.

trump's Access Hollywood tape doesn't agree with you.

 

[Starbuck1975]

trump's Access Hollywood tape doesn't agree with you.

He wasn't an elected official at the time. Yet despite Clinton having a finishing move October surprise with that tape, she still ham handidly fumbled using it to her advantage

 

[alien42]

He wasn't an elected official at the time.

as if that matters, you're showing your true colors again.

 

[soundforbjt]

Don Jr refused to answer questions about conversations with his father today during questioning.

 

[Pens1566]

Don Jr refused to answer questions about conversations with his father today during questioning.

Telling. He can't get away with that in front of a GJ.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, a lot of people hated Clinton thanks to years of right wing propaganda. It does work on some normally sane people.

It made me question their sanity when I hadn't before.

Thanks, Russian propagandists! You mind fucked 'em really hard. They're still fucked in the head, going on about Hillary every chance they can conjure up.

 

[dank69]

Yes, I've heard that theory before, but how does that explain her low popularity today, after losing the GE? The assumptions we've made about what happens to a candidate's popularity and why might need to be updated, and the rules from 2008 might not apply any more.

For example, Trump's popularity seems like it's been fairly stable since before the GE, sitting at approval ratings a little under 40%. Nothing seems to move that very much.

If you want to say that Sanders's popularity is going to take a meaningful hit after he becomes the D nominee, I think you need to explain why.





http://prospect.org/article/qa-getting-millennials-treadmill

That percentage will go up. But the lesson that should be taken from this is that Sanders had broader appeal than Clinton did. It challenges the assumption that Democrats need to capture "moderate" voters by adopting more centrist and business friendly positions.

Losing the GE is a different beast than losing a primary. The rules haven't changed, you are just missing a major detail. How is Gore's popularity?

 

[Blackjack200]

Losing the GE is a different beast than losing a primary. The rules haven't changed, you are just missing a major detail. How is Gore's popularity?

While not as impressive as Clinton's loss to one of the most unpopular major party presidential candidates of all time, Gore essentially lost to a human cheese sandwich, then spent the next 15 years flying around in a private jet telling people to stop using so much energy, so I'm not sure he's a good yardstick. Carter's popularity seemed fine, it didn't seem like McCain or Romney took big hits either.

 

[woolfe9998]

I read today that more millennials voted for Sanders in the primary that Clinton and Trump combined. Whatever happened in the Democratic primary, it seems pretty obvious to me that Sanders had broader appeal to the general electorate, and he remains a much more popular politician than either of the two GE candidates.

Why exactly did you feel the need to insert this off topic comment into this particular thread? This thread is about the Russia investigation, and you're instead drawing it into yet another Sanders v Clinton argument. So instead of talking about an ongoing investigation into the possible corruption of a sitting POTUS, we are drawn into a discussion about 2 people who did not win last year, and engaging more speculation about what would have happened in the general election had the primaries turned out differently?

Who needs republican whataboutclintonism when we have you to provide these distractions?

 

[woolfe9998]

Oh and kudos to the Trump trolls for winning this round. The Trump Administration crimes thread has successfully pivoted to yet another "It's Hillary/Bernie/Dems fault!" discussion.

Yes, but it wasn't the conservative posters who veered the discussion in that direction in this particular case. See above.

 

[dank69]

While not as impressive as Clinton's loss to one of the most unpopular major party presidential candidates of all time, Gore essentially lost to a human cheese sandwich, then spent the next 15 years flying around in a private jet telling people to stop using so much energy, so I'm not sure he's a good yardstick. Carter's popularity seemed fine, it didn't seem like McCain or Romney took big hits either.

Before Obama came along, Carter was known as the worst Democratic President ever by most people. Bill Clinton was known as the best modern Democratic President right up until it was clear that Hillary was going to be the nominee. McCain was helped by the fact that he remained a Senator and is also helped by support from gullible Democrats.

Romney: https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/mitt-romney-favorability

How's Mondale? Dukakis? Dole? Kerry?

I suppose you think Gore using a private jet renders his message null and void? Of course not, so why lend that message any credence at all?

 

[Ackmed]

Don Jr refused to answer questions about conversations with his father today during questioning.

Interesting.

Took a page from the Hillary playbook huh?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-her-fbi-interview/?utm_term=.96ac281bff7a

"I don't recall" answer more than 36 times (21 out of 25 in a row) is the same as "refusing to answer questions". Never mind her aid pleading the 5th 125 times in a row. I know, I know, its ok when the left does it. Same as everything else. Something about stones and glass.

 

[brycejones]

Interesting.

Took a page from the Hillary playbook huh?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-her-fbi-interview/?utm_term=.96ac281bff7a

"I don't recall" answer more than 36 times (21 out of 25 in a row) is the same as "refusing to answer questions". Never mind her aid pleading the 5th 125 times in a row. I know, I know, its ok when the left does it. Same as everything else. Something about stones and glass.

derpflection to whataboutism noted

Investigate Hillary for the 343rd time, I'm sure you'll get her this time just keep reaching for that dollar on the string it won't get yanked just out of your grasp yet again.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Interesting.

Took a page from the Hillary playbook huh?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-her-fbi-interview/?utm_term=.96ac281bff7a

"I don't recall" answer more than 36 times (21 out of 25 in a row) is the same as "refusing to answer questions". Never mind her aid pleading the 5th 125 times in a row. I know, I know, its ok when the left does it. Same as everything else. Something about stones and glass.

What an outrage! Gurr...Gurr...
Bring her in and lock her up! Your boys are in charge of literally everything show some leadership and get it done. There are no excuses for not acting!



Provided she did something wrong...

 

[soundforbjt]

Previously undisclosed emails show follow-up after the Trump Tower meeting. Just reported on CNN .

 

[Starbuck1975]

as if that matters, you're showing your true colors again.

It apparently didn't matter to the voters who helped him win the election.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Previously undisclosed emails show follow-up after the Trump Tower meeting. Just reported on CNN .

Oh goodie!

 

[brycejones]

Previously undisclosed emails show follow-up after the Trump Tower meeting. Just reported on CNN .

buttery emails!

 

[alien42]

It apparently didn't matter to the voters who helped him win the election.

you're correct, everyone who voted for the shit stain showed their true colors.

party over country with the extra irony that trump isn't even a real Republican.