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Lifer
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Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table

"As the great Sharyl Attkisson reports, 12 prominent public statements by those on both sides of the aisle who reviewed the evidence or been briefed on it confirmed there was no evidence of Russia trying to help Trump in the election or colluding with him:

  • The New York Times (Nov 1, 2016);
  • House Speaker Paul Ryan (Feb, 26, 2017);
  • Former DNI James Clapper , March 5, 2017);
  • Devin Nunes Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017);
  • James Comey, March 20, 2017;
  • Rep. Chris Stewart, House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017;
  • Rep, Adam Schiff, House Intelligence committee, April 2, 2017);
  • Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senate Intelligence Committee, May 3, 2017);
  • Sen. Joe Manchin Senate Intelligence Committee, May 8, 2017;
  • James Clapper (again) (May 8, 2017);
  • Rep. Maxine Waters, May 9, 2017);
  • President Donald Trump,(May 9, 2017).
  • Senator Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, indicated that his briefing confirmed Dianne Feinstein’s view that the President was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians."
 

vi edit

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https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/14/exclusive-sealed-indictment-granted-against-donald-trump/

Separate sources with links to the intelligence and justice communities have stated that a sealed indictment has been granted against Donald Trump.

While it is understood that the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution means that, until Mr. Trump is impeached, he cannot be prosecuted, sources say that the indictment is intended by the FBI and prosecutors in the Justice Department to form the basis of Mr. Trump’s impeachment. The indictment is, perhaps uniquely, not intended or expected to be used for prosecution, sources say, because of the constitutional position of the President.

So do you believe it, or are you just fanning the flames?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table

"As the great Sharyl Attkisson reports, 12 prominent public statements by those on both sides of the aisle who reviewed the evidence or been briefed on it confirmed there was no evidence of Russia trying to help Trump in the election or colluding with him:

  • The New York Times (Nov 1, 2016);
  • House Speaker Paul Ryan (Feb, 26, 2017);
  • Former DNI James Clapper , March 5, 2017);
  • Devin Nunes Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017);
  • James Comey, March 20, 2017;
  • Rep. Chris Stewart, House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017;
  • Rep, Adam Schiff, House Intelligence committee, April 2, 2017);
  • Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senate Intelligence Committee, May 3, 2017);
  • Sen. Joe Manchin Senate Intelligence Committee, May 8, 2017;
  • James Clapper (again) (May 8, 2017);
  • Rep. Maxine Waters, May 9, 2017);
  • President Donald Trump,(May 9, 2017).
  • Senator Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, indicated that his briefing confirmed Dianne Feinstein’s view that the President was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians."

Standard misrepresentation, huh? It's clear that Russian hacking & release of information helped Trump. It's not clear that there was collusion.

Finding oneself on the same side of a domestic political contest as Russian psyops would give pause to any rational American. Not Trumpsters, obviously.
 
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Commodus

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Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table

"As the great Sharyl Attkisson reports, 12 prominent public statements by those on both sides of the aisle who reviewed the evidence or been briefed on it confirmed there was no evidence of Russia trying to help Trump in the election or colluding with him:

  • The New York Times (Nov 1, 2016);
  • House Speaker Paul Ryan (Feb, 26, 2017);
  • Former DNI James Clapper , March 5, 2017);
  • Devin Nunes Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017);
  • James Comey, March 20, 2017;
  • Rep. Chris Stewart, House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017;
  • Rep, Adam Schiff, House Intelligence committee, April 2, 2017);
  • Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senate Intelligence Committee, May 3, 2017);
  • Sen. Joe Manchin Senate Intelligence Committee, May 8, 2017;
  • James Clapper (again) (May 8, 2017);
  • Rep. Maxine Waters, May 9, 2017);
  • President Donald Trump,(May 9, 2017).
  • Senator Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, indicated that his briefing confirmed Dianne Feinstein’s view that the President was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians."

I won't repeat what Jhhnn said, other than to say that it's true this is a misrepresentation.

My point: did you seriously just cite a list which not only includes obviously craven Republicans (particularly Paul Ryan and Devin Nunes) who would exonerate the Trump campaign regardless of the truth, but Trump himself?

"Well, Trump says his campaign didn't collude with Russia, so clearly he's innocent. Also, Nixon was not a crook, and Reagan didn't lie about arms-for-hostages because he believed it was true in his heart."
 
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Azuma Hazuki

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These people are not fully-functioning humans. They are the grunt-workers of the "tribe before truth" movement. You can be sad for them but don't be surprised; they sold their souls long ago.
 
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HTFOff

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Jesus, Clapper himself has debunked it twice this week on cable news. Twice. Yet people keep repeating him as proof that nothing is going on.

Clapper's objection to his own words on MTP is tantamount to a "never say never" walk-back to cover his own hide.

Regardless of whatever position you take on this, clapper's words should be taken with a dumpter truck worth of salt as he's (notoriously) previously lied under oath and then doubled down.
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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Instead, Napolitano said, Obama used GCHQ, a British intelligence and security organization that has 24-7 access to the NSA database.

Why does a foreign government have access to the NSA database? Looks like Obama is the one about to be indicted!!!111oneoneoneeleven

Just pullin your chains I know security orgs share info.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Clapper's objection to his own words on MTP is tantamount to a "never say never" walk-back to cover his own hide.

Regardless of whatever position you take on this, clapper's words should be taken with a dumpter truck worth of salt as he's (notoriously) previously lied under oath and then doubled down.
Do you even America, bro?
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
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Clapper's objection to his own words on MTP is tantamount to a "never say never" walk-back to cover his own hide.

Regardless of whatever position you take on this, clapper's words should be taken with a dumpter truck worth of salt as he's (notoriously) previously lied under oath and then doubled down.

Depends. Trump and Co. have been touting his earlier statements as "see, even he admits there's nothing there". While all Clapper said was "I wasn't involved in any way that I would have seen the information". It takes some nuance to understand the difference, but only the smallest sliver really. The fact that Trump is taking it that way shows exactly how little he knows/understands about how these things work. As if we needed any more examples.
 

Younigue

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Hence the reason Comey isn't scared of the potential of his conversations with Trump being recorded. What Comey said is likely above reproach but how Trump perceived the words is entirely different (exoneration him and making Comey look bad). Yes his supporters will understand how Comey implicated himself once Trump, Fox and their ilk spins it. Trump really does understand things differently than most people. Legal and intelligent minds (or any one with common sense) will understand Comey's words as he meant them.
 
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Hey, TLC! I see you're still flogging your "belligerent fvckwit" shtick, as you so eloquently put it long ago. Still shilling for the GOP, too, I see, while pretending to be a liberal. I thought you'd have a new assignment by now, or at least some new material. Tell us, did you ever figure out that invading Iraq was a fiasco and a fraud, or are you still its most fervent fluffer?

Anyway, you take care. Never know when some mean liberals might be hiding under your bed.
lol @ Jhhnn, he can always be counted on to lose his mind and lash out.

Congrats. Nice job.
 
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You quoted Bowfinger & disparaged me.

Congrats. Nice job.
Doesn't matter. You're all the same; BF, Jhhnn, or any number of the millennial newbies and/or sockpuppets posing as millennial newbies. Let's incessantly post about Trump so we can ignore/deflect the problems within our own party. :rolleyes

Trump is an idiot and a major douchebag. YOUR party/ideology LOST to that douchebag. The problem is not Trump. Until you idiots learn to deal with that fact you won't ever have the first clue.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Doesn't matter. You're all the same; BF, Jhhnn, or any number of the millennial newbies and/or sockpuppets posing as millennial newbies. Let's incessantly post about Trump so we can ignore/deflect the problems within our own party. :rolleyes

Trump is an idiot and a major douchebag. YOUR party/ideology LOST to that douchebag. The problem is not Trump. Until you idiots learn to deal with that fact you won't ever have the first clue.
It's a thread about Trump. There have been threads about what's wrong with the Dem party and Liberals in general.

Doctor, heal thyself.
 

Younigue

Diamond Member
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Doesn't matter. You're all the same; BF, Jhhnn, or any number of the millennial newbies and/or sockpuppets posing as millennial newbies. Let's incessantly post about Trump so we can ignore/deflect the problems within our own party. :rolleyes

Trump is an idiot and a major douchebag. YOUR party/ideology LOST to that douchebag. The problem is not Trump. Until you idiots learn to deal with that fact you won't ever have the first clue.
So you're full of rage but no solutions. You're no different from what you're accusing anyone here of. Except you're worse because you appear to be an ugly person so thoroughly on the inside that nothing you say expresses anything but disdain and rage. I tell you what, start a one man movement... no, I didn't mean with your bowels... and be powerful in that way as opposed to powerfully ridiculous. You move no one with your approach... this makes you just as useless as you say we are. Power on slugger.
 
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crashtech

Lifer
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Standard misrepresentation, huh? It's clear that Russian hacking & release of information helped Trump. It's not clear that there was collusion.

Without access to an alternative timeline where the release of information did not occur, it's not possible to say with any certainty whether the election outcome would have been any different. So such things are only "clear" in the minds of the ideological faithful, in reality it's just the bandying about of hypotheticals. The only thing that is "clear" so far is that the DNC ought to have had better stewardship of their data.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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Without access to an alternative timeline where the release of information did not occur, it's not possible to say with any certainty whether the election outcome would have been any different. So such things are only "clear" in the minds of the ideological faithful, in reality it's just the bandying about of hypotheticals. The only thing that is "clear" so far is that the DNC ought to have had better stewardship of their data.
Disagree. The clearest thing is that they needed a compelling message other than "Look at the crazy fucker. Not him, okay?" The politics of avoidance rarely overcomes a positive (action-oriented) message, even one as abjectly idiotic as building a fucking wall.

Trump had a message of doing something. Clinton had generally no singular message through-line. They were so data-driven, they forgot the fundamentals of campaigning. Clinton needed to be clearly for something other than the vague "togetherness."

A message with a goal and action would have easily overcome their data leaks, which were largely non-news, but because there was no message to build their narrative on, it was easy to hijack with bullshit.
 
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It's a thread about Trump. There have been threads about what's wrong with the Dem party and Liberals in general.

Doctor, heal thyself.
Have you bothered to peruse the threads in this forum? Nearly every one is about slamming Trump. That points to a problem with obsession of those on the left. Where is the thread that asks "Where did we go wrong?"

I must have missed it. Or maybe the lefties just aren't introspective? Is that where I'm wrong? Does the left not care to look at their own faults and only feel inclined to blame everyone else for losing to a moron and an idiot? Because it seems to me there should be some major introspection in this case.
 

nickqt

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So you're full of rage but no solutions. You're no different from what you're accusing anyone here of. Except your worse because you appear to be an ugly person so thoroughly on the inside that nothing you say expresses anything but disdain and rage. I tell you what, start a one man movement... no, I didn't mean with your bowels... and be powerful in that way as opposed to powerfully ridiculous. You move no one with your approach... this makes you just as useless as you say we are. Power on slugger.
He's very, very concerned about the state of the Democratic party.

Very concerned.
 
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He's very, very concerned about the state of the Democratic party.

Very concerned.
I'm concerned about the Democrats losing to a moron like Trump. If you aren't then you are part of the problem.

But motor on and imagine that Trump is the real problem. Ignorance is rampant in this country.
 

crashtech

Lifer
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Disagree. The clearest thing is that they needed a compelling message other than "Look at the crazy fucker. Not him, okay?" The politics of avoidance rarely overcomes a positive (action-oriented) message, even one as abjectly idiotic as building a fucking wall.

Trump had a message of doing something. Clinton had generally no singular message through-line. They were so data-driven, they forgot the fundamentals of campaigning. Clinton needed to be clearly for something other than the vague "togetherness."

A message with a goal and action would have easily overcome their data leaks, which were largely non-news, but because there was no message to build their narrative on, it was easy to hijack with bullshit.
Though I appreciate your reply, I don't know what to do with an argument involving a hypothetical wish scenario being used against an argument that states such hypotheticals are basically worthless. We'll never know what might have happened, all that's left is to deal with the fallout, and the determination of whether any of what transpired is a punishable offense.
 
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