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Well? Which makes more sense? He was trolling the press for hounding him on Russia (look at the expression on his face when he says it) or he was literally reaching out to Russia in front of dozens of reporters? This is not even close.

Yeah he'd keep reporters away just like when he revealed the secret info to the Russian Ambassador. Only Press in the room was Russian Times. The US Press was not allowed in.

Face it Trump is Russia's useful idiot
 

buckshot24

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Yeah he'd keep reporters away just like when he revealed the secret info to the Russian Ambassador. Only Press in the room was Russian Times. The US Press was not allowed in.

Face it Trump is Russia's useful idiot
So he wasn't seriously reaching out to Russia in this clip is the more reasonable interpretation here? Maybe you know of some evidence of this fantastical conspiracy you nuts are clinging to?
 

Younigue

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Sad to see that you've gone completely insane.

No, he wasn't literally asking Russia for help in that clip. He was trolling the press with all the Russia nonsense. To believe otherwise you'd have to hold that he had secret dealings with Russia but chose to ask for help in front of a bunch of reporters instead. You are not stupid enough to believe this is the case. Which is why I say you've gone insane.
So this love you have for Trump... what is it specifically? The cut of his jib? You think he's super smart? A desire to run your hands through his wispy ass cover (hair <--- eww)? You think he's good for the country? He's the right shade of orange to get your motor running? His generosity? His bloat's a possible flotation device? His humanity? His little hands... I won't follow that line of thought? His policy (a very fluid concept at best but no matter the way he leans it's always disgusting)? His overwhelming desire to make things great (for himself and a select few, I think they're the same people who know what covfefe means)?

I could probably go on and on but...
 

buckshot24

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The revolving door of crazy nutjobs that "tag in" here on a daily basis is getting more and more desperate.
To suggest that Trump was really asking the Russians for help in front of dozens of reporters and not trolling them is crazy.
 

jackstar7

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I like that buckshat is playing the game of using "insane" "nuts" "crazy" as a stand-in for deplorables to teach us all a lesson about how it feels to be labeled with a broad brush.

So helpful. So giving.
 
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To suggest that Trump was really asking the Russians for help in front of dozens of reporters and not trolling them is crazy.

Alright last try which I'm sure will end in complete frustration

We have video of Trump asking Russian hackers for help. I'll agree to disagree about Trumps intent, so let's just bench that.
Let's pretend that the next day suspected hackers released 30k Hillary emails to Wikileaks. What would Trumps next move have been? Talk about the huge email dump and how crooked Hillary is or would he ignore them or would he actively tell his supporters not to read stolen and manipulated emails?
 

zinfamous

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To suggest that Trump was really asking the Russians for help in front of dozens of reporters and not trolling them is crazy.

The reality is that it doesn't matter what Trump's intent was with making that statement. He made it, it was recorded for posterity, and Russia hacked the shit out of the DNC, state elections, voting machines (though failed on the machines, apparently), spread fake news and fake stories for you to absorb through your cornhole...and Trump won.

You can lay to rest this whole "There are no Russian connections!" tripe. ...but of course you won't. It's in your face, more than you ever want it to be, but you still won't believe it. Because you are brimming over with shat. You just can't handle that an unpopular, minority-elected president serving a historically unpopular minority party in government was aided by your once great foreign enemy. It fills you over with rage. You can't fucking handle it, so you just pretend it didn't happen.

Like an 8 year-old. Hey, at least you and Donny boy would get along swimmingly.
 

buckshot24

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Alright last try which I'm sure will end in complete frustration

We have video of Trump asking Russian hackers for help. I'll agree to disagree about Trumps intent, so let's just bench that.
Let's pretend that the next day suspected hackers released 30k Hillary emails to Wikileaks. What would Trumps next move have been? Talk about the huge email dump and how crooked Hillary is or would he ignore them or would he actively tell his supporters not to read stolen and manipulated emails?
That is a big thing to "bench". We have two competing theories and yours is nonsense.

Why speculate on what he would have done? What happened was that these emails never surfaced.
 
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That is a big thing to "bench". We have two competing theories and yours is nonsense.

Why speculate on what he would have done? What happened was that these emails never surfaced.

And what happened is he directetly called upon Russia to release them. Point was if Trump was joking or trolling the media your answer would be a firm no he wouldn't have used those leaks to help him win.
 

buckshot24

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The reality is that it doesn't matter what Trump's intent was with making that statement. He made it, it was recorded for posterity, and Russia hacked the shit out of the DNC, state elections, voting machines (though failed on the machines, apparently), spread fake news and fake stories for you to absorb through your cornhole...and Trump won.

You can lay to rest this whole "There are no Russian connections!" tripe. ...but of course you won't. It's in your face, more than you ever want it to be, but you still won't believe it. Because you are brimming over with shat. You just can't handle that an unpopular, minority-elected president serving a historically unpopular minority party in government was aided by your once great foreign enemy. It fills you over with rage. You can't fucking handle it, so you just pretend it didn't happen.

Like an 8 year-old. Hey, at least you and Donny boy would get along swimmingly.
So many false attributions here. I don't say "there are no Russian connections". I say there is no evidence of Russian collusion, which there isn't. Hillary didn't get 50% of the popular vote in any case. There are Russian connections with Hillary and her campaign but those do not prove collusion either.

Why don't you concentrate on facts instead of making this about me? I'll tell you why, because you have no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.
 

buckshot24

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And what happened is he directetly called upon Russia to release them. Point was if Trump was joking or trolling the media your answer would be a firm no he wouldn't have used those leaks to help him win.
That doesn't follow and those emails were never released. Trump was so far in with Russia with this collusion but didn't know they didn't have the emails? He was trolling reporters.
 
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So many false attributions here. I don't say "there are no Russian connections". I say there is no evidence of Russian collusion, which there isn't. Hillary didn't get 50% of the popular vote in any case. There are Russian connections with Hillary and her campaign but those do not prove collusion either.

Why don't you concentrate on facts instead of making this about me? I'll tell you why, because you have no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.

Because talking facts is impossible with you thus we end up where we are. Review the video again and say Trump wasn't actually asking for Russian assistance
 

buckshot24

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We have competing hypothesis, one where Trump was literally and seriously reaching out to Russia for help in front of dozens of reporters all while having secret communications with them and the other where he was trolling the reporters for asking about Russia constantly. Your insanity pushes you to the first one.
 
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We have competing hypothesis, one where Trump was literally and seriously reaching out to Russia for help in front of dozens of reporters all while having secret communications with them and the other where he was trolling the reporters for asking about Russia constantly. Your insanity pushes you to the first one.
Do you guarantee drumpf was not in collusion with russia? I mean you did guarantee drumpf would not play as much golf as Obama, and you stood steadfastly by that promise, like drumpf "I stand behind nothing"
He'll be just as much your president as he will be mine. Enjoy the ride.

He isn't lazy, that was simply false though. I guarantee he isn't going to golf as much as Obama did.
 

buckshot24

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Do you guarantee drumpf was not in collusion with russia? I mean you did guarantee drumpf would not play as much golf as Obama, and you stood steadfastly by that promise, like drumpf "I stand behind nothing"
We certainly do not have any evidence of this collusion. Trump definitely needs to slow down if my prediction is going to pan out.
 

Sunburn74

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To suggest that Trump was really asking the Russians for help in front of dozens of reporters and not trolling them is crazy.
I find it odd that people say about so many Trump statements that he both means exactly what he says and doesn't mean exactly what he says. In example in regards to his discussion with comeys members of his party have said both he didn't instruct comey to drop the case (but was merely casually expressing his opinion despite clearing the room in order to do so) and that he did instruct comey but was too stupid to know he was instructing comey inappropriately and therefore is not to blame. And again this is from his own party.

You cannot have it both ways. Why can't we just all agree that he means exactly what he says, like every time?
 

buckshot24

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I find it odd that people say about so many Trump statements that he both means exactly what he says and doesn't mean exactly what he says. In example in regards to his discussion with comeys members of his party have said both he didn't instruct comey to drop the case (but was merely casually expressing his opinion despite clearing the room in order to do so) and that he did instruct comey but was stop stupid to know he was instructing comey inappropriately and therefore is not to blame. And again this is from his own party.

You cannot have it both ways. Why can't we just all agree that he means exactly what he says, like every time?
Did Trump affirm that conversation? Others outside of the admin who don't know one way or the other what was said can say whatever they want.
 

Sunburn74

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Did Trump affirm that conversation? Others outside of the admin who don't know one way or the other what was said can say whatever they want.

The conversation below isn't one that makes him seem like an innocent man here...

And don't forget no Republican senator at this time disputes the veracity of comeys memos and testimony. None of them. They mostly are playing an angle of subtext or incompetence depending on the person asked.

Last week at the rise garden during a press conference with the Romanian president Trump had this discussion with a reporter:

KARL: He [Comey] did say under oath that you told him to let the Flynn — he said you told him you hoped the Flynn investigation, he could let it go—

TRUMP: I didn’t say that.

KARL: So he lied about that.

TRUMP: I didn’t say that. I mean, I will tell you that I didn’t say that.

KARL: And did he ask you to—

TRUMP: And there’d be nothing wrong if I did say it according to everybody that I’ve read today, but I did not say that.
 

buckshot24

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Trump himself said to the US press in the rose garden when asked about comeys testimony "i didn't say that stuff to comey... And even if I did it's not a crime". Does that sound like someone who didn't say that stuff?

And don't forget no Republican senator at this time disputes the veracity of comeys memos and testimony. None of them. They mostly are playing an angle of subtext or incompetence depending on the person asked.
It sounds like a guy who didn't affirm those statements and a guy who says that even if it were true it isn't a crime (which it isn't).
 
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