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buckshot24

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You're diverting away from the fact that the Russians went to a great deal of trouble to mess with Americans' minds & facilitate the election of Trump. You're also diverting away from the fact that Flynn & Sessions both lied about their dealings with the Russians. You're diverting away from the fact that Trump apparently attempted to intervene on Flynn's behalf.
President can intervene on all federal investigations except where impeachment is involved. He's the head of the executive branch, nothing wrong with that. You don't like it then fight for an amendment to change it.

But I was asked a question, how can answering it be an attempt to change the subject? And it hasn't been proven that Sessions had "dealings" with Russians, that is your fantasy.
 
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alien42

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President can intervene on all federal investigations except where impeachment is involved. He's the head of the executive branch, nothing wrong with that. You don't like it then fight for an amendment to change it.

But I was asked a question, how can answering it be an attempt to change the subject? And it hasn't been proven that Sessions had "dealings" with Russians, that is your fantasy.

you seem to love bathing in the Trump/Russia collusion, the only question is why?

you are a proud traitor, comrade.
 

DisarmedDespot

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If Trump gets impeached for obstruction of justice, I'm throwing a party. Not because I hate the guy, but because it'll be so absurd and self-inflicted there's nothing to do but laugh.
 

Jhhnn

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President can intervene on all federal investigations except where impeachment is involved. He's the head of the executive branch, nothing wrong with that. You don't like it then fight for an amendment to change it.

But I was asked a question, how can answering it be an attempt to change the subject? And it hasn't been proven that Sessions had "dealings" with Russians, that is your fantasy.

Obviously incorrect. The President is not above the Law. He can't obstruct Justice.

Sessions admitted that he had a meeting with Kislyak in his own office even though he specifically denied such a thing occurred in sworn testimony before the Senate.

Birtherism has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 

buckshot24

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Obviously incorrect. The President is not above the Law. He can't obstruct Justice.

Sessions admitted that he had a meeting with Kislyak in his own office even though he specifically denied such a thing occurred in sworn testimony before the Senate.

Birtherism has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Directing people who work under him isn't obstruction of justice. I didn't bring up birtherism.
 

buckshot24

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Actually, he didn't recommend anything in his letter. It was pointed out at the time as well. He listed his concerns, but made no conclusions or recommendations.
And Trump simply "hoped" Comey could let the Flynn investigation go, he didn't order him to do so. Right?
 

buckshot24

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If Trump gets impeached for obstruction of justice, I'm throwing a party. Not because I hate the guy, but because it'll be so absurd and self-inflicted there's nothing to do but laugh.
Just brace yourself, obstruction isn't going anywhere. And remember that impeachment isn't enough for removal, ask Bill Clinton. No way Trump would get 2/3rds of the senate to vote for obstruction based on what he might have said to Comey about Flynn.
 

Younigue

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And Trump simply "hoped" Comey could let the Flynn investigation go, he didn't order him to do so. Right?
You're being a willful [insert insult here, your choice but make it colorful]. It's such a ridiculous thing that you want to believe there is any equivocation in Trumps words. Geezus, even you know that he expected Comey to do exactly as he told him no matter the words he chose. How do you separate hope/non-compliance/you're-fired?

Please, pretty please... I want you to be a smarter kind of Trumpublican. I know they exist. I do, I really do.

Aren't you capable of saying: yeah it went down like that, it absolutely was an attempt to obstruct justice but I love the guy. It's a love so deep my taste buds no longer work therefore I accept Trump in all his incompetence, lies, obstruction of justice, treason, immaturity, perversion, corruption... because he's my guy, ya know? It's not that those things aren't true about my special someone, it's that I accept him the way he is. He can ruin the world but I just can't care. If you've ever been in love you'd understand why I stay in this abusive relationship. <--- Just go ahead, say it. Side note, the best shelters offer a roof over your head and therapy to help you quit your abuser for good. Come on Bucket, I'm rooting for you!
 
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Jhhnn

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Directing people who work under him isn't obstruction of justice. I didn't bring up birtherism.

None of that is really true, certainly not as it applies to the current situation. Trump fired Flynn for allegedly lying about foreign entanglements, thus triggering the FBI investigation. Sessions was forced to recuse himself from that investigation. Trump then fired Comey for investigating, per his own words. Rosenstein then appointed Mueller as special counsel specifically to prevent further interference.

The chiefs of our intelligence agencies refused to discuss their own interactions with Trump in an open hearing but I doubt they would do so wrt the special counsel. I rather suspect that Trump dealt with them the same way he did with Comey, thus establishing a pattern of illegal behavior.

Firing Mueller or Rosenstein would be political suicide so Dear Leader, the hero of redneck America is stuck with whatever comes out of what will be a much more far reaching investigation than if he hadn't grossly exceeded his authority.

Shee-it, Sherlock- the way he's handled the whole thing shows that he's unfit to lead this great nation. He's incompetent.
 
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Sunburn74

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Directing people who work under him isn't obstruction of justice.
Yes it is. Telling people who work under you to drop an investigation for some personal or corrupt gain under threat of retribution is obstruction of justice. For reference, look up the watergate scandal.

Having an investigation dropped to save a guilty friend from facing jail time or to preserve political power or to prevent other political crimes from coming to light is directly obstruction of justice.

The only way it's not obstruction of justice is if some perfectly valid reason is found to where Trump was completely justified asking for it to be dropped; and the reality is if such a reason was present there would be no reason to even ask: the investigation would simply fizzle out on its own.
 

buckshot24

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Yes it is. Telling people who work under you to drop an investigation for some personal or corrupt gain under threat of retribution is obstruction of justice. For reference, look up the watergate scandal.

Having an investigation dropped to save a guilty friend from facing jail time or to preserve political power or to prevent other political crimes from coming to light is directly obstruction of justice.

The only way it's not obstruction of justice is if some perfectly valid reason is found to where Trump was completely justified asking for it to be dropped; and the reality is if such a reason was present there would be no reason to even ask: the investigation would simply fizzle out on its own.
Again, would pardoning Flynn have been obstruction of justice? That would have ended any investigation into the Flynn matter.
 

Younigue

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Again, would pardoning Flynn have been obstruction of justice? That would have ended any investigation into the Flynn matter.
Stop please. Don't you wish to be smart? Seriously, I think you're capable. <--- that's a backhanded compliment.
 

Jhhnn

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Again, would pardoning Flynn have been obstruction of justice? That would have ended any investigation into the Flynn matter.

Fantasy scenarios are great, huh? That didn't happen so it doesn't matter.

What part of "incompetent" are you having trouble with, anyway?
 

buckshot24

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Yes it is. Telling people who work under you to drop an investigation for some personal or corrupt gain under threat of retribution is obstruction of justice. For reference, look up the watergate scandal.
We don't have any indication of that here in any case.

What Nixon did wasn't anything like this. He arranged "hush money" to keep people quiet thus obstructing justice.
Having an investigation dropped to save a guilty friend from facing jail time or to preserve political power or to prevent other political crimes from coming to light is directly obstruction of justice.
How do you know what the intent was?
The only way it's not obstruction of justice is if some perfectly valid reason is found to where Trump was completely justified asking for it to be dropped; and the reality is if such a reason was present there would be no reason to even ask: the investigation would simply fizzle out on its own.
Which it did.
 

buckshot24

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Fantasy scenarios are great, huh? That didn't happen so it doesn't matter.

What part of "incompetent" are you having trouble with, anyway?
President has powers you are ignoring. He can direct investigations and "hoping" something could be dropped isn't enough in any rational scenario to be obstruction of justice. I don't care who you find incompetent.
 

jackstar7

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President has powers you are ignoring. He can direct investigations and "hoping" something could be dropped isn't enough in any rational scenario to be obstruction of justice. I don't care who you find incompetent.
So on flat Earth, did Trump not do an interview where he stated plainly that he fired him because of the Russia investigation?
 

Younigue

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President has powers you are ignoring. He can direct investigations and "hoping" something could be dropped isn't enough in any rational scenario to be obstruction of justice. I don't care who you find incompetent.
Hoping as president is an expectation of compliance.

Seriously Buckster, last chance, I'm moments away from giving up and accepting that you're just lousy at being smart. Embrace a work ethic and get that sh*t did. You can't possibly want to sound so terribly lacking in honest thinking a.k.a. Smart thinking. I am honestly hoping you'll give it a whirl <--- Yes, I expect you to take that as an order. Boom! Did you see that? Did you see how I did that? Funny stuff man. Now, be a smarter human. I insist.
 

Sunburn74

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Again, would pardoning Flynn have been obstruction of justice? That would have ended any investigation into the Flynn matter.
He could have done that. And the political backlash would have been devastating to the president and the party.

For a sitting president to pardon a criminal as a favor to a friend 3 weeks into his presidency, when the crimes involved are potentially treason that led to that president being elected? Yeah go ahead and do that. It would be the very height of corruption and you'd see a French revolution style revolt in DC.

Heads would literally roll in the streets. Don't forget a congressman was shot in the hip just this week because someone thought the GOP and trump were shady and bad for the american people. Throw in selling out the US electoral process and the office of the presidency to the Russians, and see what happens.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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There really is no upside for him to do it. If he were clean as a whistle it won't dissuade the mouth breathing tin foil hat wearing left any.

You seem to be hilariously ignorant of the history of Trump and his business dealings, or you simply don't care. It isn't about "upside," it's about being the biggest bag of dicks he can be and get away with it. He didn't realize that POTUS was an actual job that requires a modicum of sensibility and humanity.

He's a lunatic coward and a fucking baby. Anyone that supports him is a co-dependent.

Have you checked your diapers this morning? That was an impressive amount of shatting you put on last night.
 
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