Indonesia sentences UK grandmother to death

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Theb

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But a panel of judges opted Tuesday to hand down the death penalty instead.

Their decision was based on the defendant having shown no regret for what she did, Indonesian state news agency Antara reported.

Oops. Always claim you're sorry and you're going to turn your life around thanks to Jesus or Allah or whoever the hip local deity is.
 

Geosurface

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Oops. Always claim you're sorry and you're going to turn your life around thanks to Jesus or Allah or whoever the hip local deity is.

Indeed. I'm a lifelong, die-hard atheist but I would lie my ASS off in that situation. I'd be dropping Allah Huackbars like there was no tomorrow.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Why is it important that she's a grandmother? It has no bearing on the fact that she was carrying drugs, nor that she was apparently doing so under duress.
 

Geosurface

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Why is it important that she's a grandmother? It has no bearing on the fact that she was carrying drugs, nor that she was apparently doing so under duress.

Woman > Man
Mother > Non-Mother
Grandmother > Non-Grandmother
Child > Adult
"Diverse" > White
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yet two other non-Muslim countries in the region have the same penalty for drug smuggling (Singapore and Thailand). Indonesia and Malaysia are far ahead of their Middle East brethren and neither have Sharia law.
 

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Yet two other non-Muslim countries in the region have the same penalty for drug smuggling (Singapore and Thailand). Indonesia and Malaysia are far ahead of their Middle East brethren and neither have Sharia law.

Yea they're certainly ahead of their Arab counterparts but they'd be even better as secular states.
 

randomrogue

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Indonesia is the largest Muslim country on earth and is definitely not ass backwards. On top of that Bali, where she went, is like 90% Hindi. You don't even see the Muslim side of Indonesia until you leave Bali.

If you're claiming that Indonesia is a typical backwards muslim country then you might want to look it up. That part of the world, regardless of Religion, simply has no tolerance for drug trafficking. At all.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yea they're certainly ahead of their Arab counterparts but they'd be even better as secular states.

If you don't like how they run their country.....don't go there. Most importantly...don't break their laws as unlike the US they don't play any games.

I'm sure you were taught this before you made your first liberty call in the Navy at a foreign port.
 

Geosurface

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If you don't like how they run their country.....don't go there. Most importantly...don't break their laws as unlike the US they don't play any games.

Oh don't worry, I won't go there. And if I did they wouldn't have any issues with me anyway, unless it was for being an atheist. Never touched a drug not even alcohol.

I'm sure you were taught this before you made your first liberty call in the Navy at a foreign port.

I was on a boomer submarine that visited precisely one port, our home port in Washington state
 

randomrogue

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Yea they're certainly ahead of their Arab counterparts but they'd be even better as secular states.

I wouldn't call Indonesia secular. There are way too many places of worship and I couldn't even take a bus without the driver stopping every couple hours to pray at a gas station. It's kinda a hodgepodge of everything though. You can be Christian, Muslim, Hindi, or Buddhist there. Not sure about Jewish but I doubt it. Either way like 15% of the population is not Muslim and their laws do support religious freedom.
 

Oyeve

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The death penalty is only supported by savages and the mentally unfit.
Lets see how you would feel if one of your kids becomes a drug addict or dies from an overdose. Would you not want to see some death-penalty-justice? Yeah, guys like you spew your shit but we are all savages.
 
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I personally think the death penalty is unwise, and certainly would not support it for any nonviolent crimes under any circumstances, but I have no problem with other countries imposing their own laws. Her story sounds bogus and from my standpoint it seems very likely she intentionally took a huge gamble and rolled snake eyes. I can't get indignant over this.
 

Lemon law

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I agree with many other posters here that Indonesia is not backward and also not considered backward by the rest of the world. And that Indonesia has the right to set their own laws. As I also note the USA is considered rather backward by the rest of the world for prosecuting Juveniles as adults. Not to mention our drone policies that alienates almost everyone, when oops, when we kill the innocent instead, in foreign lands, we wash our hands, when we would never get away with those same policies inside of the USA.

As I also agree 100% with Don Vito in opposing the death penalty period, my opinion only extends to my own country, namely the USA.

As for the British Grandmother, who found herself subject to the laws of Indonesia, she violated Indonesian law and has no right to claim special rights not granted to any other Indonesian resident. So I feel scant sympathy for her.

But still our drug smuggling grandma is a British national, so its up to the British government to help her. And private diplomacy by the British government almost certainly stands a far better chance than putting it into the public arena more likely to stiffen Indianian resolve.
 

Darwin333

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She was living in Indonesia or what? She is a drug smuggler. She is poisoning your kids and other people's kids with her drugs. She is selling pain and misery. She deserves to die. You know when people sell illegal drugs, this causes gangs to shoot and kill innocent people.

All drug dealers deserve to die the worst possible death immaginable.

So why is it even important that this woman is a Grandmother? This is so you will feel sympathy for a murdering sleazebag. The fact that she is a grandmother means she deserves an even harsher penalty.

Actually, its the laws that you seem to support that cause the death, murder, and destruction.....
 

ch33zw1z

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Lets see how you would feel if one of your kids becomes a drug addict or dies from an overdose. Would you not want to see some death-penalty-justice? Yeah, guys like you spew your shit but we are all savages.

Not everyone believes that drugs are a criminal issue. If you kid becomes a drug addict or dies from a drug overdose, maybe you should've educated your kids about the different kinds of drugs out there and potential real side effects and consequences.
 

Rifter

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IF she is telling the truth and she was forced to do this because of threat violence against her family then they are way overreacting.

However if she is full of shit then bring on the death penalty.
 

Michael

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I lived in Singapore and have flown all over SEA. Even the announcements on the plane warn you before you land to read the customs form as you will die if you are carrying illegal drugs. You have to be a special form of stupid to do so.

Michael
 
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Dari

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China executed a Briton over something similar. The British claimed he was retarded and was forced to do it. I'm starting to see a pattern with these British people. Attempt to get a pass because you are Briton. When caught, claim it was forced upon you. Anyway, I look forward to seeing this on Locked Up Abroad.
 

StrangerGuy

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I lived in Singapore and have flown all over SEA. Even the announcements on the plane warn you before you land to read the customs form as you will die if you are carry illegal drugs. You have to be a special form of stupid to do so.

Michael

Indonesia is a backward shithole with problems (e.g lolsharia) worse than drugs, but you have to be clinically brain dead to think their drug laws as a joke.

Oh, and Westerners who expect slap-on-the-wrist treatment anywhere in the world like their home country are just funny in a stupid way.
 

Murloc

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I don't like death penalty, but that apart, the whole duress story is probably bullshit.

I've seen this plenty of time in the news. The drug dealers are often young foreigners, but I remember about 2 arrests in the past years, and it was 50-60 years old swiss women and couples smuggling the drugs. They don't do the small-time road selling but still...
this makes me think it's just an excuse.
Anyway this is why the death penalty is stupid: what if it's not an excuse? You can always release someone from a lifetime sentence. You can't revive killed people though.
This is the main deal-breaker for me, the assumption that the state and the judicial system are perfect. How ignorant has someone to be to not see this fundamental flaw?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Indonesia is a backward shithole with problems (e.g lolsharia) worse than drugs, but you have to be clinically brain dead to think their drug laws as a joke.

Oh, and Westerners who expect slap-on-the-wrist treatment anywhere in the world like their home country are just funny in a stupid way.

LOL....Indonesia doesn't have sharia law but don't let that stop you from making ignorant statements.
 
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