Insane parents are upset CO school won't recognize their boy as a girl

[werepossum]

How?

The child is self-identifying as a girl and has been diagnosed by professionals as having gender-identity disorder. You think it would be better to force a transgendered individual to reject who they feel they are and live a lie?

Here's a novel thought. How about when we diagnose a disorder we try to fix it rather than reorder society around it?

Didn't get the daughter you wanted? It's not too late to build her!

1. Shooting guns and drinking beers
2. Tits

LOL +1

 

[Retro Rob]

Really does not.

Wow, I didn't think it was possible to be this... well, ignorant (you're not ignorant, but your opinion really is..)

What makes a male a male and a female a female, then? Whatever you want to be?

Essentially, there is no such thing as a male and female at birth... it's just an "it" until the child decides?

"Hey jackstar, your wife having a boy or girl?"

"It's sexless until it decides for itself... we aren't having a boy nor a girl... all you need to know is that it's human"...

:biggrin:

 

[werepossum]

Wow, I didn't think it was possible to be this... well, ignorant (you're not ignorant, but your opinion really is..)

What makes a male a male and a female a female, then? Whatever you want to be?

Essentially, there is no such thing as a male and female at birth... it's just an "it" until the child decides?

"Hey jackstar, your wife having a boy or girl?"

"It's sexless until it decides for itself... we aren't having a boy nor a girl... all you need to know is that it's human"...

:biggrin:

Wish I'd have known that in high school. I would definitely have been a girl at the end of each gym period.

"C'mon, it's time us girls hit the showers!"

 

[jackstar7]

Then what does?



Kid has XY, kid is a male, kid is not a girl. End of story.

Male is Coy's sex.

Girl is her gender.

Complexity in nature is nothing new.

 

[jackstar7]

Wow, I didn't think it was possible to be this... well, ignorant (you're not ignorant, but your opinion really is..)

What makes a male a male and a female a female, then? Whatever you want to be?

Essentially, there is no such thing as a male and female at birth... it's just an "it" until the child decides?

"Hey jackstar, your wife having a boy or girl?"

"It's sexless until it decides for itself... we aren't having a boy nor a girl... all you need to know is that it's human"...

:biggrin:

And AGAIN sex and gender are different.

 

[sushiwarrior]

Male is Coy's sex.

Girl is her gender.

Complexity in nature is nothing new.

Coy's sex says she has a penis. Coy now wants to be able to go into the girls bathroom. Nobody else with a penis is allowed to do this. She wants EQUAL treatment? No, she wants UNEQUAL treatment.

 

[jackstar7]

Coy's sex says she has a penis. Coy now wants to be able to go into the girls bathroom. Nobody else with a penis is allowed to do this. She wants EQUAL treatment? No, she wants UNEQUAL treatment.

Is the reason we don't allow people in the girls bathroom because they have a penis? Or because they aren't girls?

Usually the sign says girls. I realize Coy isn't a girl in your eyes, but in her mind, she is. So until the science comes down one way or another, I'm going to say there's no harm in letting Coy be a girl in all contexts.

 

[Retro Rob]

And AGAIN sex and gender are different.

I know this, but you want to play semantics with the girl/female male/boy BS -- you well know what we mean. Even those with the gender ID problem use the terms interchangeably because it really doesn't matter -- it's just a word game you're playing.

But again, doctors often use male/boy etc without thinking about it. So please....

 

[sushiwarrior]

Is the reason we don't allow people in the girls bathroom because they have a penis? Or because they aren't girls?

Usually the sign says girls. I realize Coy isn't a girl in your eyes, but in her mind, she is. So until the science comes down one way or another, I'm going to say there's no harm in letting Coy be a girl in all contexts.

Science? What SCIENCE says? Science says she has XY chromosomes and a penis. Common sense says that the sign says "girls" not because it caters to their emotional beliefs or whatever, but their PHYSICAL characteristics. Unless you'd like to tell me that urinals are just there because males like to identify as guys or something.

In class, in school, in life, sure no problem you can be referred to as a girl. In a situation like this? How do you think the other children feel knowing there is (for all physical purposes) a boy in their bathroom? This isn't about trying to hurt this one kid, this is about protecting all of the OTHER kids. I don't agree with making 1 child feel safe by making 100 others feel unsafe.

 

[Retro Rob]

Wish I'd have known that in high school. I would definitely have been a girl at the end of each gym period.

"C'mon, it's time us girls hit the showers!"

Yeah, I know... if it was that easy... and according to jackstar and others, simply saying you are (until science says definitively) is all you need to do and nobody can argue with you.

In all fairness, though... normal men and women wouldn't just say they're of the opposite gender so that probably means it's a disorder. And you're right... fix it, don't force us to change for the small amount of people dealing with this.

 

[cubby1223]

Is the reason we don't allow people in the girls bathroom because they have a penis? Or because they aren't girls?

Usually the sign says girls. I realize Coy isn't a girl in your eyes, but in her mind, she is. So until the science comes down one way or another, I'm going to say there's no harm in letting Coy be a girl in all contexts.

Seriously? In the traditional sense, girl = female, boy = male.

If the rooms had historically been named the "male room" and the "female room" then your argument falls completely apart.


If you want people to have the choice of how they act and how they dress, that is fine. But part of the purpose behind the split of the bathrooms is to specifically deny people the choice of which bathroom they prefer. You have to argue for full unisex bathrooms on this one. Else your argument doesn't hold water.

 

[Sea Ray]

Then what does?



Kid has XY, kid is a male, kid is not a girl. End of story.

Here, here. It's not really complicated. I understand we live in a time where even obesity is being called a disease but that doesn't make it right. Gender identity disorder is a dubious diagnosis for an adult; for a child it's completely nuts

 

[cubby1223]

Perfect solution to everything, so we no longer fight amongst ourselves over technicalities: Rename everything to "XX Chromosome Room" and "XY Chromosome Room".

 

[werepossum]

Seriously? In the traditional sense, girl = female, boy = male.

If the rooms had historically been named the "male room" and the "female room" then your argument falls completely apart.


If you want people to have the choice of how they act and how they dress, that is fine. But part of the purpose behind the split of the bathrooms is to specifically deny people the choice of which bathroom they prefer. You have to argue for full unisex bathrooms on this one. Else your argument doesn't hold water.

Perhaps "person room" and "other person room". Or as the feminist said to her daughter: "Run out to the personbox and see if the personperson left us any person."

Can't simply rename everything to "XX Chromosome Room" and "XY Chromosome Room" since the whole liberal argument is that chromosomes are irrelevant.

EDIT: Life imitating art: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

 

[Sea Ray]

This debate goes back to Renee Richards playing tennis vs females. As far as I'm concerned, just because he/she had some surgery doesn't mean she then gets to play on the women's circuit.

Can Coy play the women's sports as he/she progresses through to high school?

 

[cubby1223]

None of this discussion changes the base fact of this situation - the parents are against their child using the boys room because they know their child will be teased and taunted and bullied if he looks like a girl in the boys room. That is the entire basis of this situation. We know what is at stake. Use the girls room, bullying may be delayed. Use the boys room, and bullying is immediate.

But what seems like the select few here in this thread cannot understand is, this doesn't end at the bathroom situation. There is no end to adjusting reality in attempt to prevent bullying. There is no end to this so long as he continues to behave and dress as if he were a girl. It will be continual fights to change many details throughout this child's life.

This is where it is extremely easy for outsiders to support this fight, because they see the end target of a great number of changes made to society. Are the supporters focused on the hell this child will be put through for their societal gains? Will the supporters be there in true support (more than just passive internet comment support) for the long run as this child grows up?

 

[Retro Rob]

None of this discussion changes the base fact of this situation - the parents are against their child using the boys room because they know their child will be teased and taunted and bullied if he looks like a girl in the boys room. That is the entire basis of this situation. We know what is at stake. Use the girls room, bullying may be delayed. Use the boys room, and bullying is immediate.

But what seems like the select few here in this thread cannot understand is, this doesn't end at the bathroom situation. There is no end to adjusting reality in attempt to prevent bullying. There is no end to this so long as he continues to behave and dress as if he were a girl. It will be continual fights to change many details throughout this child's life.

This is where it is extremely easy for outsiders to support this fight, because they see the end target of a great number of changes made to society. Are the supporters focused on the hell this child will be put through for their societal gains? Will the supporters be there in true support (more than just passive internet comment support) for the long run as this child grows up?

Very, very well put.

 

[SheHateMe]

Will the supporters be there in true support (more than just passive internet comment support) for the long run as this child grows up?

Yes. And if I knew Coy personally would be right there to support him in whatever lifestyle he chooses.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Really does not.

It does. You're basically telling me water isn't wet.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Is the reason we don't allow people in the girls bathroom because they have a penis? Or because they aren't girls?

Usually the sign says girls. I realize Coy isn't a girl in your eyes, but in her mind, she is. So until the science comes down one way or another, I'm going to say there's no harm in letting Coy be a girl in all contexts.

Dude, are you trolling us? You are saying some pretty dense and absurd shit.

 

[cubby1223]

I swear this will be the last comment I make in this thread because the "other side" just flat out has blinders on.

None of you, absolutely none of you, can say with any degree of certainty that dressing like a girl is how he wants to live his childhood. There is no certainty that this was his educated and willing choice. Dressing as a girl is the only thing he has ever known, it is his normal.

You seriously have to do some soul-searching, are the opinions you have on this subject, are they primarily (1) in the best interests of this child, or (2) in the best interests of yourself?

 

[werepossum]

I swear this will be the last comment I make in this thread because the "other side" just flat out has blinders on.

None of you, absolutely none of you, can say with any degree of certainty that dressing like a girl is how he wants to live his childhood. There is no certainty that this was his educated and willing choice. Dressing as a girl is the only thing he has ever known, it is his normal.

You seriously have to do some soul-searching, are the opinions you have on this subject, are they primarily (1) in the best interests of this child, or (2) in the best interests of yourself?

Well said.

Let us all just be grateful that the kid didn't decide it was a bird.

 

[nehalem256]

Male is Coy's sex.

Girl is her gender.

Complexity in nature is nothing new.

And what criteria are we using to determine "her" gender.

 

[Sea Ray]

Yes. And if I knew Coy personally would be right there to support him in whatever lifestyle he chooses.

In this instance what a 6 yr old wants in the way of a lifestyle should be of little consequence. Parents need to protect their kids and make these sorts of decisions in the best interests of their kid.

Kind of reminds me of a story many years ago (1996) where a 7 yr old girl with "Flower Child" parents allowed their kid to quit going to school and work on being the youngest ever to fly accross the continent.

When she crashed her mother's comments were:

Jessica's mother, Lisa Hathaway, said her daughter "died doing something she loved".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/girl-pilot-aged-7-killed-crossing-america-1304367.html

Wrong answer Mom. As her parent you failed her at the most fundamental level. You didn't protect her and instead opted to let her "do what she loved" even though it was life threatening.

Letting your 6 yr old choose whether they'd like to go through life as a sex that's different than their biology is life threatening in a sense.

 

[Annisman*]

This is getting crazy, sometimes people just need to be told they are wrong and move along.