Insane parents are upset CO school won't recognize their boy as a girl

[FelixDeCat]

Coy? Pfft. Thats a girls name.

But he still must use the boys bathroom.

 

[jackstar7]

It does. You're basically telling me water isn't wet.

Nope. I'm telling you that sex is not gender. Something that's been repeated several times, but seems to remain elusive to many of the people in this thread.

 

[jackstar7]

Dude, are you trolling us? You are saying some pretty dense and absurd shit.

Not trolling. I'm not using my feelings to make a judgment of the situation though.

Gender identity is something still undergoing lots of study across both physical and psychological spectrum. Many of you seem comfortable drawing hard conclusions about a situation which has many unknowns. All you see is an abnormality, parents who aren't trying to quash it, and you're all set to burn the parents as witches and force Coy to live as a boy.

You guys have your pitchforks. Don't forget torches. You're going to want to do all this at night.

 

[nehalem256]

Nope. I'm telling you that sex is not gender. Something that's been repeated several times, but seems to remain elusive to many of the people in this thread.

Well maybe you can tell us what it is then?

 

[jackstar7]

Well maybe you can tell us what it is then?

Sex = Biology
Gender = Psychology/Sociology

Anything else I can help you with?

 

[nehalem256]

Sex = Biology
Gender = Psychology/Sociology

Anything else I can help you with?

Well you could explain how you can "feel" like a social construct

Please go into extra detail on how a 2 year old can feel like one

 

[werepossum]

Sex = Biology
Gender = Psychology/Sociology

Anything else I can help you with?

Judging by that response, probably not.

 

[jackstar7]

Well you could explain how you can "feel" like a social construct

Please go into extra detail on how a 2 year old can feel like one

Firstly, what 2-year old?

Secondly, what social construct?

Gender Identity: "Gender identity is a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender."

Also, this might be useful to you: https://www.genderspectrum.org/understanding-gender

 

[jackstar7]

Judging by that response, probably not.

Yeah, concise answers seem anathema to several posters here.

 

[nehalem256]

Firstly, what 2-year old?

Coy. You do realize s/he has been "identifying" as girl for years...

Secondly, what social construct?

In short, gender is a socially constructed concept

try reading your own link

Gender Identity: "Gender identity is a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender."

Also, this might be useful to you: https://www.genderspectrum.org/understanding-gender

Gender Identity. One's innermost concept of self as male or female or both or neither—how individuals perceive themselves and what they call themselves

So in other words complete and total BS. Gender can mean anything. What if I feel like identifying as the "orange gender". Should I get a special bathroom?

 

[werepossum]

Yeah, concise answers seem anathema to several posters here.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

 

[TechBoyJK]

Firstly, what 2-year old?

Secondly, what social construct?

Gender Identity: "Gender identity is a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender."

Also, this might be useful to you: https://www.genderspectrum.org/understanding-gender

I've told myself a bunch of things "privately". Many of them were wrong.

I've told myself I'm super smart, gorgeous, amazing, etc.

That doesn't mean I am. If I privately tell myself I'm a girl when I'm a boy, that doesn't make me a girl, that makes me 'wrong'.

 

[nehalem256]

I've told myself a bunch of things "privately". Many of them were wrong.

I've told myself I'm super smart, gorgeous, amazing, etc.

That doesn't mean I am. If I privately tell myself I'm a girl when I'm a boy, that doesn't make me a girl, that makes me 'wrong'.

Yep. Whether or not you believe gender to be based on having a penis.

The idea that gender is both a "social construct" and a "private feeling" is inherently contradictory.

 

[jackstar7]

You guys have made it abundantly clear that you don't subscribe to these ideas of gender identity, nor the science behind them.

Do you have anything substantive to add to your arguments at this point? Or is it all just trying to pick apart positions and arguments of the people on the "other side"?

I'm not seeing the value in that for you.

 

[werepossum]

I've told myself a bunch of things "privately". Many of them were wrong.

I've told myself I'm super smart, gorgeous, amazing, etc.

That doesn't mean I am. If I privately tell myself I'm a girl when I'm a boy, that doesn't make me a girl, that makes me 'wrong'.

LOL That is incontrovertible.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You guys have made it abundantly clear that you don't subscribe to these ideas of gender identity, nor the science behind them.

Do you have anything substantive to add to your arguments at this point? Or is it all just trying to pick apart positions and arguments of the people on the "other side"?

I'm not seeing the value in that for you.

You're the one trying to say it's legit for a boy to say he's a girl when he's actually a boy.

It's on you to prove to us you are right, not the other way around.

 

[nehalem256]

You're the one trying to say it's legit for a boy to say he's a girl when he's actually a boy.

It's on you to prove to us you are right, not the other way around.

Well as per the story of Coy it is on him to prove that a 2 year old looked at his brother and sister and decided he "felt" like his sister.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Well as per the story of Coy it is on him to prove that a 2 year old looked at his brother and sister and decided he "felt" like his sister.

That's not even a discussion worth having. We might as well be arguing over Coy identifying as a black person when he's clearly white. He's white. Any argument otherwise is just crazy talk.

 

[jackstar7]

You're the one trying to say it's legit for a boy to say he's a girl when he's actually a boy.

It's on you to prove to us you are right, not the other way around.

That must be why I provided known science on the subject that explained children's identity development and the gender aspects of that development in their formative first few years.

Did I miss links you posted to scientific study into gender identity?


EDIT: And I come back to my question:
Do you have anything substantive to add to your arguments at this point? Or is it all just trying to pick apart positions and arguments of the people on the "other side"?

That's not to say that fingers in ears aren't substantive.

 

[sushiwarrior]

That must be why I provided known science on the subject that explained children's identity development and the gender aspects of that development in their formative first few years.

Did I miss links you posted to scientific study into gender identity?


EDIT: And I come back to my question:
Do you have anything substantive to add to your arguments at this point? Or is it all just trying to pick apart positions and arguments of the people on the "other side"?

It's not about identity, the child can absolutely believe in whatever gender he/she chooses. The problem is that bathrooms aren't called "mens" and "womens" to make people feel nice about themselves, they are called that for physical reasons which no amount of belief can change so long as the child is physically a male.

 

[jackstar7]

It's not about identity, the child can absolutely believe in whatever gender he/she chooses. The problem is that bathrooms aren't called "mens" and "womens" to make people feel nice about themselves, they are called that for physical reasons which no amount of belief can change so long as the child is physically a male.

So when my gf takes her son into the ladies room, she's breaking some taboo?

Also, you didn't provide an actual reason for there to be separate bathrooms. Also, nothing stops someone from using any bathroom. If the door is unlocked you can go in there.

In fact, identity is required. How else does someone decide which room they are meant to use?

 

[sushiwarrior]

So when my gf takes her son into the ladies room, she's breaking some taboo?

Also, you didn't provide an actual reason for there to be separate bathrooms. Also, nothing stops someone from using any bathroom. If the door is unlocked you can go in there.

In fact, identity is required. How else does someone decide which room they are meant to use?

Well, no it isn't breaking taboo because young children (not old enough to go by themselves) accompanied by parents are an exception to the "rule" more or less. This child is going to the bathroom on their own.

Why are there separate bathrooms? For the same reason there are separate change rooms for example. It's intrusive to some undetermined percentage of the girls/ladies/women/females for someone of the opposite gender to be using their bathroom. Mens bathrooms have urinals for a physical reason, for one thing. Womens bathrooms have tampon dispensers for a physical reason.

How does someone decide which room they are meant to use? "Hmm, do I have a penis? Mens bathroom."

 

[jackstar7]

Well, no it isn't breaking taboo because young children (not old enough to go by themselves) accompanied by parents are an exception to the "rule" more or less. This child is going to the bathroom on their own.

Why are there separate bathrooms? For the same reason there are separate change rooms for example. It's intrusive to some undetermined percentage of the girls/ladies/women/females for someone of the opposite gender to be using their bathroom. Mens bathrooms have urinals for a physical reason, for one thing. Womens bathrooms have tampon dispensers for a physical reason.

How does someone decide which room they are meant to use? "Hmm, do I have a penis? Mens bathroom."

Is that how you figured it out when you were a toddler? I'm assuming that you didn't know the word penis for several years beyond that. Of course, I could be wrong about that, if you had informative and uninhibited parents.

 

[werepossum]

So when my gf takes her son into the ladies room, she's breaking some taboo?

Also, you didn't provide an actual reason for there to be separate bathrooms. Also, nothing stops someone from using any bathroom. If the door is unlocked you can go in there.

In fact, identity is required. How else does someone decide which room they are meant to use?

Hell, why even bother with restrooms? Just whip it out in the classroom in a handy corner and tell your teacher you suffer from species identity disorder.

 

[jackstar7]

Hell, why even bother with restrooms? Just whip it out in the classroom in a handy corner and tell your teacher you suffer from species identity disorder.

The talking will betray your ruse!