Insane parents are upset CO school won't recognize their boy as a girl

[jackstar7]

I would not want some boy in the bathroom sneaking a peak at my daughter.

He is a boy, he can go to the boys bathroom.

So you never gave two kids of opposite sexes a bath together, eh?

The kid is 6. No one has any idea what she'll want to be/how she will identify at 7, much less when puberty becomes a factor.

 

[HeXen]

So you never gave two kids of opposite sexes a bath together, eh?

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but at a certain age, you stop

 

[waggy]

So you never gave two kids of opposite sexes a bath together, eh?

The kid is 6. No one has any idea what she'll want to be/how she will identify at 7, much less when puberty becomes a factor.

and what do you do if he wan'ts to continue using the girls restroom. What if he wants to use the girls locker room too?

seems to me you start him early in the nurse or gender free restroom.


are the parents going to sue for him to have the right to change in the girls locker room? to shower with them?

at what point do you say "no".

 

[jackstar7]

Those hypotheticals don't explain why you have to say no now.

 

[jackstar7]

but at a certain age, you stop

But by then the damage is obviously done.

/s

 

[nehalem256]

Those hypotheticals don't explain why you have to say no now.

Lets put it this way. If you don't let a 6 year old decide their bedtime why would you allow them to decide their "gender identity"?

 

[waggy]

Those hypotheticals don't explain why you have to say no now.

pretty much the same reasons. there is no point to it. either way now or latter he is going to be put in a gender free bathroom or such.

there is no good reason why he should be with girls. his situation does not trump the other girls.


he shouldn't be with the girls and if he wan'ts to be a female he shouldn't be with the boys. i think think the besti situation is the gender free restroom.

 

[momeNt]

I'd sooner have the school remove gender or sex requirements from the bathroom than have the school acknowledge he is a girl lol.

 

[Screech]

If you have a dick you use a urinal in the men's room to piss, if you have a vagina you use a toilet in the women's room. Otherwise you use a gender neutral bathroom. Otherwise you can just have dudes and chicks using the same bathroom and the same changing rooms later in life. Now as a high school dude I would have been down with that but realistically, if males and females are going to change and piss in their own bathrooms and changing rooms, then that is a sex issue, not a gender issue.

Parents should take a hike.

and edit: gay dudes use the dudes' bathroom and changing room too. If kid gets a sex change and then wants to use the girl's room, more power to....her.

 

[Double Trouble]

Seems pretty obvious that the parents of the kid are complete fuckups. You can't blame the kid for this, he's just a 6 year old, blame the parents. A 6 year old doesn't know anything about gender identity. If he wants to do things that are usually considered feminine, that's fine, but the parents making him think he's a girl is just dumb.

The restroom you use is not determined by what you feel like, it's determined by your biology. That makes sense because to 99% of the people that's how it should be. Why should everyone else change the rules because of the 1% screwups?

 

[jackstar7]

pretty much the same reasons. there is no point to it. either way now or latter he is going to be put in a gender free bathroom or such.

there is no good reason why he should be with girls. his situation does not trump the other girls.


he shouldn't be with the girls and if he wan'ts to be a female he shouldn't be with the boys. i think think the besti situation is the gender free restroom.

I may be misunderstanding you here, are you saying this kid's wishes infringe on the other girls in the school?

 

[jackstar7]

Do people know there are toilets in all bathrooms? Some of what's being said implies otherwise...

I mean, you know everyone poops, right?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Do people know there are toilets in all bathrooms? Some of what's being said implies otherwise...

I mean, you know everyone poops, right?

So why the hell do we even have separate bathrooms? It would be much easier to not segregate restrooms by gender. One larger one would be more efficient than having to replicate two separate facilities, and it doesn't really matter because we're all in there to do the same thing.

 

[nehalem256]

A 6 year old doesn't know anything about gender identity. If he wants to do things that are usually considered feminine, that's fine, but the parents making him think he's a girl is just dumb.

I agree with this. And find it hilarious that doing "feminine" things makes you a girl.

Sounds like a lot feminist "women" who do "masculine" things should be considered men by that logic ^_^

I may be misunderstanding you here, are you saying this kid's wishes infringe on the other girls in the school?

Lets say a guy wishes to use the girl's bathroom. Would you say that infringes on the girls in the school?

 

[UglyCasanova]

I may be misunderstanding you here, are you saying this kid's wishes infringe on the other girls in the school?

This kid has no wishes other than to play and get toys and be read to and cared for like any other 6 year old. Do the parents wishes infringe upon the other girls in the school? That seems abundantly clear to everyone except the devil's advocate of the thread who I'm sure doesn't truly believe everything he or she or however you "identify" yourself says but gets a feeling of self-righteousness by being the most open minded member of the discussion.

What a crazy story, and what selfish parents for doing that to their child.

 

[waggy]

I may be misunderstanding you here, are you saying this kid's wishes infringe on the other girls in the school?

either you are trolling or stupid.

I agree with this. And find it hilarious that doing "feminine" things makes you a girl.

Sounds like a lot feminist "women" who do "masculine" things should be considered men by that logic ^_^



Lets say a guy wishes to use the girl's bathroom. Would you say that infringes on the girls in the school?

i don't get the argument about that doing "feminine" things or masculine things defines your sexuality. My daughter had a play kitchen and Barbie dolls. she didn't care for either. my son on the other hand loved to play with both. Though how he played with the barbies was violent. they were usually cops racing around heh.

introduce them to everything. let them play with what they want.

I think the parents are takeing it to far. The school is in the right. for t he parents to sue over this is insane. Are they going to sue to allow the child to use the restrooms and lockers in high school? though i suspect things might change once the kid gets older

 

[nehalem256]

i don't get the argument about that doing "feminine" things or masculine things defines your sexuality. My daughter had a play kitchen and Barbie dolls. she didn't care for either. my son on the other hand loved to play with both. Though how he played with the barbies was violent. they were usually cops racing around heh.

You do appear to grasp it. Defining your "gender identity" based on what you like to play with leads to bizarre and/or insane conclusions.

 

[TechBoyJK]

It's a tough needle to thread, clearly. But the objections here seem to be more about how the kid should be "straightened out" and the parents are somehow abusing a kid by letting it explore its own identity.

I think the downside of a basically private bathroom are that it's just more ostracizing when that's what the parents are trying to minimize. Really, I applaud them if they're allowing the other kids to help socialize the kid into an identity because parents can make rules and try to create structure, but the practicality of other children either accepting or rejecting the behavior is going to go a lot further to shaping the kid's development. If kids all reject it, then the kid will adjust in order to socialize.

I'm just wary of parents trying to force the kid into a role or roles that she doesn't understand the reasoning behind. The classmates, I think, will do a better job of either respecting or rejecting the kid and then parents can be supportive along the way without having to force anything that would only build a solid foundation for resentment in the kid.

I could certainly be wrong about all of this... but the level of panic and outrage in this thread is really off-putting, and I would feel a lot better if some of it was thought through and articulated.

you spelled 'he' wrong. when talking about a boy/male, they are not referred to as a 'she'.

 

[jackstar7]

either you are trolling or stupid.

Well first, not trolling. And I believe I have demonstrated myself as reasonably 'not-stupid'.

I simply ask for a better articulation of your position and I want to understand it as you intend it. Good to know that asking for clarity makes me an idiot or a douche in your binary equation.

It's frustrating. It's not like there's any point to responding to nehalem, but you were presenting some reasonable and thoughtful insights. I don't share the majority perspective here about the situation. I think it's interesting that the parents are trying to allow the kid to figure things out with regards to its identity in the world. Mostly I just sympathize with a kid who doesn't fit into the role assigned by everyone else when the kid just feels something different from that. Whatever happens, that kid probably has more crap comin' that she deserves.

 

[Geosurface]

Haven't feminists been fighting gender roles for decades? Now we're being told that being a girl DOES in fact mean different behaviors, roles and activities? The same type of people who have been raging against classification are now arguing for classification. "Liberals" are fucking nuts.

The old "repressive" strict gender roles and rules of the past may have had their faults, may have had their problems... in fact, we all know they did.

There were gay and lesbian people, or people of other unusual considerations in those decades, centuries, millenia who were negatively impacted by those societal pressures and standards. I feel for them and I'm sorry that happened.

HOWEVER!

What we've traded it in for seems to be nothing but a bunch of confusion, mixed messages, and endless... endless whining. This story is the very definition and pinnacle of first world problems.

I think a society that starts to concern itself with things like this, to the degree we have done... is weaker for it. And there's a saying: "He who makes of himself a sheep will find a wolf to eat him."

I think this sort of confused, self-questioning, endlessly narcissistic, self-doubting, disjointed society we've become invites us being taken advantage of.

So yes, the strict ideas of gender in the past weren't perfect. They were clear, though, and they made us and kept us strong. Something to be said for that.

 

[cubby1223]

It's a tough needle to thread, clearly. But the objections here seem to be more about how the kid should be "straightened out" and the parents are somehow abusing a kid by letting it explore its own identity.

You are wrong. This is child abuse.

(I do like how you continually refer to a child as "it")

What the parents are doing is giving him a childhood full of ridicule and torment by his peers before the child ever has the opportunity to even begin to explore his true identity.

We can sit here and play the P.C. game, sing Kumbaya, remind each other how perfect we ourselves all are, make ourselves feel good. But this child will still be tormented by his classmates. It has nothing to do with "straitening out" anyone. Parents need to be parents, not friends.

 

[ShawnD1]

I love the implications of this story. This little kid identifies as a girl? Really? So you're actually saying that he wishes he had a vagina and he wants to get plowed by men? He probably doesn't understand any of that; very few kids understand what it means to be a man or a woman. He's just a kid who likes playing with dolls, and his dipshit sexist parents jumped to the conclusion that this makes him a girl.

 

[Painman]

Seems like transgenderism is the last holdout of bigotry in society. We already know there is fluidity to gender, but isn't much inherent fluidity to percieved gender. David Reimer is a good example. Penis destroyed during a botched circ procedure and then "reassigned" and raised as a girl. Didn't take. Dude took his own life at the age of 38.

People who freak out about trans kids using the bathrooms of their percieved sex... well, there ain't no urinals in girls' bathrooms. Only stalls. No one is going to see any "Girl Penis". Same vice versa. Urinals don't accommodate vulvas very well. What about gay people? Little Lucy Lesbo is gonna perv out on the other girls. Maybe she's jilling off in the next stall to the sound of girl-tinkle. Should she be marched off to the "gender neutral" toilet as well?

And it seems ironic that folks are bringing up Feminism. Radical Feminists are the worst transphobes of all. They seem to believe that dudes are getting their dicks/testes removed just so that they can infiltrate "womyn's safe spaces" or some nonsense. And that especially dykey gals are shooting up with T just because they've been seduced by Teh Patriarchy. They've been brainwashed into committing gender treason!

I don't really have an answer. I simply accept the notion that girls sometimes feel more like boys and vice versa. And that some of the worst of society's bigots hail from the far political left.

 

[_Rick_]

So why the hell do we even have separate bathrooms? It would be much easier to not segregate restrooms by gender. One larger one would be more efficient than having to replicate two separate facilities, and it doesn't really matter because we're all in there to do the same thing.

At my university, that's how that's handled in one tract.
There isn't even a real restroom, it's merely architecturally distinct, with two stalls.

Frankly, unisex toilets should be the future, and the relaxation of gender segregation should be something to strive for. It will still happen to a sufficient amount naturally, but if you want true equality, then you must fight nature, to achieve it.

As for transgenderism - I think it's amazing how everyone here is so sure, that the six year old is a boy, when it believes to be a girl. If the brain chemistry is telling her, that she's a girl, how can you say, that some dangly bits, turn her into a boy? And why is this an issue at all?
Imagine you were in that position, and had to be the only girl, to share the toilet with the boys? That would be kind of weird, wouldn't it?

 

[ShawnD1]

When I was 4, I wanted to be a ninja turtle. This kid wanting to be a girl doesn't mean anything.