Insane parents are upset CO school won't recognize their boy as a girl

[Geosurface]

Imagine instead that the 6 year old boy said he was "transpecies" and thought he was a horse. And demanded to wear saddles and urinate outside...

 

[jackstar7]

that's bullshit.

kids will play with whatever. i know a few boys that like pink until they start to be told its a "girls" color. Same with toys.

I think you just proved a point. We impose gender assignment on kids much more than they get to choose anything. These parents allowed more freedom to their kid.

 

[Atreus21]

One of these days we're gonna need special restrooms and locker rooms for transexuals.

On the contrary, one of these days any attempt to separate restrooms on any basis at all will be considered an act of bigotry.

 

[zsdersw]

Is it a function of old age to assume everything is going to be worse in the future than it was in the past? I ask because some of you are acting that way.

We need fewer Grampa Simpsons, not more.

Generations past said we wouldn't survive rock music... but we did. Perhaps it's time to stop acting like the people who are so consistently wrong about the future (senior citizens).

 

[nehalem256]

This kid wants to be identified as a girl. Do the women you are talking about want to be referred to as men? If they do, then I can respect their wishes as it impacts me not at all.

So you are arguing gender is a meaningless term that means whatever anyone(including a 6 year old) thinks it does ^_^

Seems awfully silly to segregate bathrooms based on that huh?

EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It seems sensible to call it a duck no matter what the duck thinks. So if certain women choose to act like men(in regard to gender roles etc) it would seem sensible to call them men right?

 

[jackstar7]

So you are arguing gender is a meaningless term that means whatever anyone(including a 6 year old) thinks it does ^_^

Seems awfully silly to segregate bathrooms based on that huh?

EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It seems sensible to call it a duck no matter what the duck thinks. So if certain women choose to act like men(in regard to gender roles etc) it would seem sensible to call them men right?

You continue to be among the worst at discourse. Your post right here is evidence of that.

 

[jackstar7]

Is it a function of old age to assume everything is going to be worse in the future than it was in the past? I ask because some of you are acting that way.

We need fewer Grampa Simpsons, not more.

Generations past said we wouldn't survive rock music... but we did. Perhaps it's time to stop acting like the people who are so consistently wrong about the future (senior citizens).

It is troubling. So much fear of complexity.

 

[LumbergTech]

Where should hermaphrodites use the bathroom? Say they clearly have both types of genitalia.

 

[waggy]

I think you just proved a point. We impose gender assignment on kids much more than they get to choose anything. These parents allowed more freedom to their kid.

exactly and who do we have to thank for his gender assignment? the parents.

this kid wanted to dress like (im assumeing) his sister. they took that as saying he wants to be a girl. and now trying to force others to see it as that way.

kids also want to be animals. should we allow that?

right now IF the child decides this was idiotic and he is male. he is fucked since the parents went overboard and put EVERYTHING as him being female. its now in the papers and internet for people to find when they google him.

there is a time you allow kids to play and pretend there is a time you say "no" tell them we can't do that.

IF the kid is a real transgender? fine teh option the school giving him useing the nurs's room or a gender free room is fine.

NO way should he be allowed to use the girls room. why should they be forced to change, pee, whatever whith him?

 

[LumbergTech]

exactly and who do we have to thank for his gender assignment? the parents.

this kid wanted to dress like (im assumeing) his sister. they took that as saying he wants to be a girl. and now trying to force others to see it as that way.

kids also want to be animals. should we allow that?

right now IF the child decides this was idiotic and he is male. he is fucked since the parents went overboard and put EVERYTHING as him being female. its now in the papers and internet for people to find when they google him.

there is a time you allow kids to play and pretend there is a time you say "no" tell them we can't do that.

IF the kid is a real transgender? fine teh option the school giving him useing the nurs's room or a gender free room is fine.

NO way should he be allowed to use the girls room. why should they be forced to change, pee, whatever whith him?

Referencing my question above this post..How does that fit into your scheme? What if the person has both types of privates, but identifies as a girl?

 

[nehalem256]

You continue to be among the worst at discourse. Your post right here is evidence of that.

You just don't like the stupidity of your argument pointed out to you.

You appear to be arguing that because a biologic boy wants to wear pretty pink dresses he is a girl.

Imagine instead that the captain of the HS football team who went hunting every weekend and never even touched pink decided he wanted to start identifying as a girl despite in every way appearing to be a boy. I think everyone would say that was insane and he just wanted an excuse to see naked girls in the locker room .

The only reason you think it is reasonable to consider this boy a girl, is because he has embraced traits that are associated with being a girl.

There would seem to be a certain amount of logic to assigning gender based on traits embraced by a person instead of biology.

And if we embraced this logic that would mean that a "woman" who embraced traditional male traits such as wearing pant-suits and being more interested in having a career than being a wife should be referred to as a man.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The school should stick to their policies and the rights of the girls should be first/foremost in their decision. The boy can either use the nurses bathroom as offered or use the boy's room.

 

[waggy]

Referencing my question above this post..How does that fit into your scheme? What if the person has both types of privates, but identifies as a girl?

i don't know to be honest. its a great question though.

 

[nehalem256]

Referencing my question above this post..How does that fit into your scheme? What if the person has both types of privates, but identifies as a girl?

If he urinates from his boy private part the boys bathroom. If he urinates through his girl private part the girl's bathroom.

Or is this a case where urine comes out of 2 holes? ^_^

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Referencing my question above this post..How does that fit into your scheme? What if the person has both types of privates, but identifies as a girl?

The school should make special provisions for said child to use the nurses restroom.

 

[jackstar7]

You just don't like the stupidity of your argument pointed out to you.

You appear to be arguing that because a biologic boy wants to wear pretty pink dresses he is a girl.

Imagine instead that the captain of the HS football team who went hunting every weekend and never even touched pink decided he wanted to start identifying as a girl despite in every way appearing to be a boy. I think everyone would say that was insane and he just wanted an excuse to see naked girls in the locker room .

The only reason you think it is reasonable to consider this boy a girl, is because he has embraced traits that are associated with being a girl.

There would seem to be a certain amount of logic to assigning gender based on traits embraced by a person instead of biology.

And if we embraced this logic that would mean that a "woman" who embraced traditional male traits such as wearing pant-suits and being more interested in having a career than being a wife should be referred to as a man.

What I am arguing is that gender is psychological, not biological, because it is. And the points you have stated that I am making have not been made by me. You're arguing a phantom and have apparently assigned it my screenname.

Maybe you should re-read the thread and see if you can find someone arguing the points you want to argue against instead of your constant strawmanning.

 

[jackstar7]

The school should make special provisions for said child to use the nurses restroom.

Why?

 

[nehalem256]

What I am arguing is that gender is psychological, not biological, because it is. And the points you have stated that I am making have not been made by me. You're arguing a phantom and have apparently assigned it my screenname.

And this psychology has outward manifestations. Such as for example a biological 6 year old boy liking pretty pink dresses and long hair.

Imagine instead that you have a 6 year old boy who wore normal boy clothes, had short hair, and played with cars and guns, but said he was a girl would anyone seriously consider letting him use the girl's bathroom?

I think the answer is pretty clearly a big NO.

However, when a 6 year old boy manifests traits that are traditionally feminine people do seriously consider it.

That outward manifestation of a gender psychology is what is important.

Therefore I am suggesting that if a grown woman manifests traditionally masculine traits she should be regarded as a man. Just like this 6 year old boy is regarded as a girl. Of course I think most people would find that suggestion absurd.

 

[jackstar7]

Therefore I am suggesting that if a grown woman manifests traditionally masculine traits she should be regarded as a man. Just like this 6 year old boy is regarded as a girl. Of course I think most people would find that suggestion absurd.

Your suggestion about grown women is absurd.

 

[nehalem256]

Your suggestion about grown women is absurd.

Why?

If,

gender is psychological, not biological

and a "woman" displays a masculine psychology. As evidenced by embracing traditionally masculine traits.

Shouldn't "she" be regarded as a man?

 

[jackstar7]

and a "woman" displays a masculine psychology. As evidenced by embracing traditionally masculine traits.

Shouldn't "she" be regarded as a man?

Why do you feel compelled to impose on others? Why can't you let people define themselves and then deal with them or don't?

 

[BoberFett]

Why do you feel compelled to impose on others? Why can't you let people define themselves and then deal with them or don't?

Again, the story in the OP isn't about anybody in the school imposing on anybody. In fact the school has already gone above and beyond by entertaining their wishes and referring to this boy as she and treating her like a girl for the most part.

The party in this story who is imposing on others is the family who insists that their boy should be able to use the girls bathroom. That's not defining ones self and allowing others to deal with them or not, that's demanding that others recognize their definition.

 

[nehalem256]

Why do you feel compelled to impose on others? Why can't you let people define themselves and then deal with them or don't?

So you are now saying that gender isn't psychological. But instead just a completely arbitrary way to define yourself.

Why even have the concept of gender(which apparently is conceptless) then?

And why do we segregate bathrooms based off of a meaningless concept?

Can I choose to define myself as the blue gender then, instead of as male or female?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

When genetics go bad...

 

[Texashiker]

that's bullshit.

kids will play with whatever. i know a few boys that like pink until they start to be told its a "girls" color. Same with toys.

You know a "few" boys.

There are lots of studies out there that say boys naturally like blue, and girls like pink, boys like violent games, while girls like less violent games.

There is a reason why so few girls sign up for high school football.

There is a reason why boys roughhouse, play contact sports, fight, play cops and robbers,,, because it is hard coded into males. Fighting, hunting, shooting,,,, helps prepare a male to either defend his family, or go to war.

Certain parts of our behavior are hard coded into our genetics, codes that liberals can not change.