Insane parents are upset CO school won't recognize their boy as a girl

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jackstar7

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So you are now saying that gender isn't psychological. But instead just a completely arbitrary way to define yourself.

Why even have the concept of gender(which apparently is conceptless) then?

And why do we segregate bathrooms based off of a meaningless concept?

Can I choose to define myself as the blue gender then, instead of as male or female?

I apologize to everyone for continuing this.
 

jackstar7

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Again, the story in the OP isn't about anybody in the school imposing on anybody. In fact the school has already gone above and beyond by entertaining their wishes and referring to this boy as she and treating her like a girl for the most part.

The party in this story who is imposing on others is the family who insists that their boy should be able to use the girls bathroom. That's not defining ones self and allowing others to deal with them or not, that's demanding that others recognize their definition.

Yes. Things got vastly off track from the subject at hand.

With regards to that, I am confused by the timeline of when the school decided to stop permitting Coy's bathroom use. But on the whole, I'm just not sure that a 6yr old using a given bathroom matters enough for all this ruckus, from both sides. I'm definitely confused by why a right's group got involved except to exploit a kid.

What raised my hackles was people calling the parents abusive because they let Coy be who she wants to be, which in this case is something completely harmless.
 
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waggy

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You know a "few" boys.

There are lots of studies out there that say boys naturally like blue, and girls like pink, boys like violent games, while girls like less violent games.

There is a reason why so few girls sign up for high school football.

There is a reason why boys roughhouse, play contact sports, fight, play cops and robbers,,, because it is hard coded into males. Fighting, hunting, shooting,,,, helps prepare a male to either defend his family, or go to war.

Certain parts of our behavior are hard coded into our genetics, codes that liberals can not change.

My son loves pink. it's his favorite color. he had a pink shirt he wore as often as he can. until he started 1st grade. kids started to make fun of him. he stopped wearing it for a short time. He started again he just tells the kids to shut up. not many pick on him anymore. My nephew and his dad both like pink. my nephew is 12 5'5" (or so. im like a inch or so taller) roughly 160lbs and nearly all muscle. he has won many championships in wrestling and was on a nation level little league team.

he also would play with my daughters barbies (she hated them. she got like 20 as a gift from a lady who collected them). though it usually had him putting them in remote cars or playing star wars.

same with the play kitchen we had. he played it more then my daughter did and he loves to cook. though all he ever wants to make is cookies.


also my daughter hunts, roughhouses (she takes self defense classes 1 day a week) and just a all around tough child. She would love to play football but she is far far to small (4 inches taller and 4lbs less then my son who is 6 and she is 10)

i will admit my son is far far more violent. you tease or hurt his sister he will kick your ass (he has 2 kids at school for hurting her).

i don't buy the fact that colors, or toys define the sexuality of the kids.
 

nehalem256

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My son loves pink. it's his favorite color. he had a pink shirt he wore as often as he can. until he started 1st grade. kids started to make fun of him. he stopped wearing it for a short time. He started again he just tells the kids to shut up. not many pick on him anymore. My nephew and his dad both like pink. my nephew is 12 5'5" (or so. im like a inch or so taller) roughly 160lbs and nearly all muscle. he has won many championships in wrestling and was on a nation level little league team.

he also would play with my daughters barbies (she hated them. she got like 20 as a gift from a lady who collected them). though it usually had him putting them in remote cars or playing star wars.

same with the play kitchen we had. he played it more then my daughter did and he loves to cook. though all he ever wants to make is cookies.


also my daughter hunts, roughhouses (she takes self defense classes 1 day a week) and just a all around tough child. She would love to play football but she is far far to small (4 inches taller and 4lbs less then my son who is 6 and she is 10)

i will admit my son is far far more violent. you tease or hurt his sister he will kick your ass (he has 2 kids at school for hurting her).

i don't buy the fact that colors, or toys define the sexuality of the kids.

According to the parents in the OP and there rigid gender stereotypes you son should probably have been regarded as a girl and used the girl's bathroom.
 

waggy

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According to the parents in the OP and there rigid gender stereotypes you son should probably have been regarded as a girl and used the girl's bathroom.

that's what i don't get. My son also spent the day once as a puppy (we had puppy's at the time). should i have put him in obedience school? wel..hmm :hmm: actually...probably wouldn't have hurt heh.
 

jackstar7

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that's what i don't get. My son also spent the day once as a puppy (we had puppy's at the time). should i have put him in obedience school? wel..hmm :hmm: actually...probably wouldn't have hurt heh.

But your son didn't ask to be treated as a girl or a puppy. While it is just what they are saying, the parents seem to want to respect their kid's wishes. And again, given how kids develop, maybe they just see it as a phase they are willing to indulge for the time. I really think the rights group probably made way more of this than it needs to be.
 

Drako

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I feel sorry for the kid - he needs some sane parents.

And who would name their child Coy? :|
 

nehalem256

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But your son didn't ask to be treated as a girl or a puppy. While it is just what they are saying, the parents seem to want to respect their kid's wishes.

(1) What if the child showed absolutely no feminine traits? Would it still make any amount of sense to treat the child as a girl?

(2) If a 6 year old wants to stay up to midnight every night should the parents respect the child's wishes?
 

nehalem256

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that's what i don't get. My son also spent the day once as a puppy (we had puppy's at the time). should i have put him in obedience school? wel..hmm :hmm: actually...probably wouldn't have hurt heh.

Did you call him waggy?
 

Ancalagon44

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I actually think its irresponsible parenting.

I think its fine to let a boy play with barbies and wear pink. Whatever. Let him do what he wants, let him do what he enjoys. If he wants to play barbies and bake cookies, so what?

But where I draw the line is allowing him to think he is a girl. I just dont see how a 6 year old can come to that conclusion - and remember, this started at least a year or two ago.

Some adults come to the conclusion that they were born in the wrong body. Adults. Not children. If a 6 year old says he was born in the wrong body, I'm looking at the parents, because they were feeding him the wrong information. Oh Coy likes barbies, she must be a girl. No, flipping hell, Coy just likes barbies, let Coy decide whether she is or not a girl when she gets older. At the age of 6, Coy SHOULD have no idea that such a thing is even possible. Coy should know that boys have penises and girls have vaginas, but everything that a girl can do, except for have babies, a boy can do, and vice versa.

I think poor parenting contributed to his gender confusion.
 

PokerGuy

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What raised my hackles was people calling the parents abusive because they let Coy be who she wants to be, which in this case is something completely harmless.

Coy can change what he wants to call himself if he so chooses, but he IS a male. That much is fact. There is no way a 6 year old has any kind of notion of "gender identity", this is a simple case of parental abuse of a child, followed by abuse of the legal system to try and force other people to join in their little fantasy. I hope social services in CO looks into removing the kid from the abusive home asap.
 

Geosurface

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You know a "few" boys.

There are lots of studies out there that say boys naturally like blue, and girls like pink, boys like violent games, while girls like less violent games.

There is a reason why so few girls sign up for high school football.

There is a reason why boys roughhouse, play contact sports, fight, play cops and robbers,,, because it is hard coded into males. Fighting, hunting, shooting,,,, helps prepare a male to either defend his family, or go to war.

Certain parts of our behavior are hard coded into our genetics, codes that liberals can not change.

Exactly.

Sometimes this hard-coding misfires and you end up with someone who receives the wrong set of coding, and in the best case the coding has never been perfect... biology is messy like that.

However, none of this invalidates the existence of it. Or the importance of it.
 

PokerGuy

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I actually think its irresponsible parenting.

I think its fine to let a boy play with barbies and wear pink. Whatever. Let him do what he wants, let him do what he enjoys. If he wants to play barbies and bake cookies, so what?

Exactly. Parents certainly don't have to push any kind of gender role on their kids or force them to play a certain way etc, but they are screwing up the kid into thinking physical reality doesn't apply to him.
 

jackstar7

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Coy can change what he wants to call himself if he so chooses, but he IS a male. That much is fact. There is no way a 6 year old has any kind of notion of "gender identity", this is a simple case of parental abuse of a child, followed by abuse of the legal system to try and force other people to join in their little fantasy. I hope social services in CO looks into removing the kid from the abusive home asap.

Please explain the parental abuse.
 

TechBoyJK

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EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It seems sensible to call it a duck no matter what the duck thinks. So if certain women choose to act like men(in regard to gender roles etc) it would seem sensible to call them men right?

No, it'd be sensible to call them women, because they are women.
 

TechBoyJK

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But your son didn't ask to be treated as a girl or a puppy. While it is just what they are saying, the parents seem to want to respect their kid's wishes. And again, given how kids develop, maybe they just see it as a phase they are willing to indulge for the time. I really think the rights group probably made way more of this than it needs to be.

He's 6. They don't need to respect shit.

Mommy, I think my bedtime should be 3am.

Ok son, whatever you want?

This is definition of parenting fail.
 

jackstar7

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He's 6. They don't need to respect shit.

Mommy, I think my bedtime should be 3am.

Ok son, whatever you want?

This is definition of parenting fail.

I will never need to be reminded not to let you near my kids.

It's when parents abuse their kids.

In this case, these parents are abusing Coy.

Please, explain the abuse being ennacted by these parents. How, precisely, is Coy being abused?
 
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