INSANE video: 150 car pileup in Michigan snowstorm with cars/18 wheelers crashing

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Ichinisan

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Damn, I have relatives around there. It's really amazing, I expect the car/suv drivers to be dipshits, but what are those truck drivers doing cruising along at 35 or 40 in a snowstorm? If you can't see slow the hell down.

So much this.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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The first ~20 cars I feel bad for. After that, nothing. This is Darwanism at work bro. Let it take its place. I drive EXACTLY the speed limit. Weather conditions -10%, 20% for shit like this.

The world is overpopulated as it is. Go ahead. Drive 20+ on snow-days. Fucking losers.

Err, try half the speed limit or less. ie. "Dead slow". If there's snow on the road, that's going to screw with stopping distances and vehicle control. Furthermore, if there's snow on the road, there might be ice underneath the snow, at which point all bets are off in terms of stopping distances.

It also looks like visibility was completely crap as well. If I absolutely had to be out in those driving conditions, I'd be driving at probably 10-20mph along a straight stretch, or less if I didn't feel in 100% control of the car.

Road speed limits AFAIK are only for ideal driving conditions.

Idiot YT user here:
Snow squalls like this come out of nowhere. You slow down and you get rear-ended. You speed up you read-end someone. All you can do is maintain the flow of traffic. No amount of cautious driving could've really prevented this. You must not live in Michigan
Snowfall can suddenly happen, but it can only settle if you have sub-zero temperatures (the ground has to be cold enough not to melt the snow), at which point you should already be driving with caution (and "dead slow" if you notice ice). Once the snow starts to fall you should be driving "dead slow", because you should be prepared for other drivers who are an order of magnitude stupider than you are, as well as the multitude of other stupid things that can just happen (another vehicle's engine failure, a deer runs out in the road, etc).

Also, when driving in less-than-ideal road conditions, leave tonnes of room between you and the vehicle in front and behind.
 
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boomerang

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If traffic is moving at 40mph under those conditions, which also happened to be near white-out conditions, are you in more or less danger going 20mph or perhaps even 10mph? Anyone? Are you more or less of a danger to the drivers around you? Anyone?
 

mikeymikec

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If traffic is moving at 40mph under those conditions, which also happened to be near white-out conditions, are you in more or less danger going 20mph or perhaps even 10mph? Anyone? Are you more or less of a danger to the drivers around you? Anyone?

Only a complete idiot doesn't take note of the fact that some people are driving 10-20mph.

Which of course is the reason why this pile-up occurred; people were driving too fast for the road conditions, they weren't able to stop in time.
 
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lxskllr

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Only a complete idiot doesn't take note of the fact that some people are driving 10-20mph.

Yet, the road is full of idiots, so what do you do? Do you prefer rear ending someone in front, or getting rear ended from behind? What he's saying is there isn't a clearcut answer. Any possible choice that doesn't include teleportation has a good chance of negative consequences.
 

mikeymikec

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Yet, the road is full of idiots, so what do you do? Do you prefer rear ending someone in front, or getting rear ended from behind? What he's saying is there isn't a clearcut answer. Any possible choice that doesn't include teleportation has a good chance of negative consequences.

There is a clear cut answer. You drive at a safe speed given the road conditions, not based on the assumption that someone might be doing a stupidly fast speed. That logic suggests that everyone should drive as fast as they possibly can to avoid getting rear-ended. Let's all drive as stupidly as possible because 150-vehicle pile-ups are inevitable.
 

dphantom

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Snowfall can suddenly happen, but it can only settle if you have sub-zero temperatures (the ground has to be cold enough not to melt the snow), at which point you should already be driving with caution (and "dead slow" if you notice ice). Once the snow starts to fall you should be driving "dead slow", because you should be prepared for other drivers who are an order of magnitude stupider than you are, as well as the multitude of other stupid things that can just happen (another vehicle's engine failure, a deer runs out in the road, etc).

Um just not really. Obviously one must be aware of road conditions and leave appropriate distance but just because it snows does not mean one has to drive "dead slow". You drive based on conditions and snow may or may not be any worse than a rain and no there is not always ice under snow.

And here it is not uncommon to be driving at speed and with no warning drive into a whiteout. It happens all the time, at least twice here in Michigan in last two days with major pileups due to sudden snow squalls.
 

lxskllr

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That logic suggests that everyone should drive as fast as they possibly can to avoid getting rear-ended. Let's all drive as stupidly as possible because 150-vehicle pile-ups are inevitable.

No, that logic suggests you drive at the going rate of speed, whether that's fast, or slow. You can theorize all you want, but here in the real world, we deal with real world conditions.
 

mikeymikec

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No, that logic suggests you drive at the going rate of speed, whether that's fast, or slow. You can theorize all you want, but here in the real world, we deal with real world conditions.

You realise that is probably how the pile-up occurred, don't you?

Long straight road, poor visibility. Cars are probably driving at a distance so that they can see the car in front, but they're keeping their distance. However, the speed is still too high, so when something happens to the vehicle in front, they all plow into each other.

It really is as simple as that. Assuming that the person at the front is driving at a sensible speed is stupid because there's no basis for the assumption.
 

ControlD

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That's one reason why I hate winter. I drive to work at about 5:15 in the morning and I regularly see roads like that in winter time. Many times worse because the plows haven't been out yet. Most semi truck drivers seem to feel invincible in the snow and they rarely slow down. Sometimes I think they actually go faster because they know the state patrol most likely doesn't have time for speed enforcement.

I've been driving in the snow for close to 30 years now, and I have no problem dropping down to half the speed limit (35) if conditions require it, but at that point your are at risk of some dumb ass driving 75. Snow sucks.

(And everyone knows Michigan drivers, especially those on super congested roads like I-94 are crazy anyhow)
 
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sdifox

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not all that uncommon in Michigan. I drve through Michgan once in the winter and there qere cars left and right of the highway ditched in the snow banks. A tractor trailer fishtailed in front of me. And this was a no cloud day. I can't imagine drivng there in a snow storm.


I have driven through a hilly section of I-90 in Pennsilvania in thundersnow. Fucking pitch black in the middle of the day. Crazy thing was everyone was doing 120. I stayed behind a tractor trailer because his wheels cleaned up the snow.

Scariest drive of my life.
 
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marvdmartian

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Finally, halfway thru the video, "Let's see if we can help people"!!

Here's another idea. Drive a mile up the highway, and see if you can start flagging people down, to at least give them the idea that they need to slow down, BEFORE they reach the multi-vehicle pile up??

Or, you know, maybe dial 9-1-1 on that phone? (might have already done, but still....)

You realise that is probably how the pile-up occurred, don't you?

Long straight road, poor visibility. Cars are probably driving at a distance so that they can see the car in front, but they're keeping their distance. However, the speed is still too high, so when something happens to the vehicle in front, they all plow into each other.

It really is as simple as that. Assuming that the person at the front is driving at a sensible speed is stupid because there's no basis for the assumption.

Yeah, dealt with that sort of thing when I lived in California's central valley, and had to drive through the pea soup "Tooley" fog there. You just sort of drive along, completely blind, hoping and praying that the person in front of you hasn't stopped or crashed.

It was that, or just don't drive when it's foggy......which can easily be 1/3 of the year! What's really crazy, is when you get the fog that's only ~6' thick, so the cars are completely blind, but the trucks and buses can see forever in front of them.....just not the road in front of them!
 
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bguile

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Yesterday was not a good day to be driving in Michigan. There was another, though much smaller, pileup south of Ann Arbor on 23. Ended up closing that freeway down for awhile too.

I've driven that stretch of highway on 94 near Kalamazoo lots of times, and it always seems bad around there. Thankfully I have never been involved in anything as bad as that, but I have seen plenty of accidents.
 

brianmanahan

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idiots didn't take possible braking speed into account

unless you got straight pavement, you can't go that fast
 

marvdmartian

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ah yes, couch quarterback.

Or, you know, someone who grew up with this sort of weather, this type of accidents that occasionally happen, and the common sense to know that you can be more help actually helping, than standing around with your thumb up your ass?

Oh, and I edited out my last statement, while you were posting yours, after I realized it might have been a bit harsh. Now, after seeing your reply, maybe it wasn't, after all.
 

nickbits

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I drove through there last weekend, I'm glad my race wasn't yesterday or I might have been in that wreck.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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Or, you know, someone who grew up with this sort of weather, this type of accidents that occasionally happen, and the common sense to know that you can be more help actually helping, than standing around with your thumb up your ass?

Oh, and I edited out my last statement, while you were posting yours, after I realized it might have been a bit harsh. Now, after seeing your reply, maybe it wasn't, after all.

Were you there?
 

sdifox

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Or, you know, someone who grew up with this sort of weather, this type of accidents that occasionally happen, and the common sense to know that you can be more help actually helping, than standing around with your thumb up your ass?

Oh, and I edited out my last statement, while you were posting yours, after I realized it might have been a bit harsh. Now, after seeing your reply, maybe it wasn't, after all.

Were you there? Everything you have said is hindsight, easy to be thoughtful and useful when you are not involved in it.

I have driven through a section of highway from Chicago to Detroit (Dec 26, 2008), I think this was the same one. My E350 4Matic had brand new Blizzaks and we were losing tracktion because of ice road. Saw a tractor trailor fishtail in front of me
 
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brainhulk

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Damn that's nuts. Yeah first video ive seen where the filmer realizes, hey maybe i should help instead of filming
 

brianmanahan

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D**n that's nuts. Yeah first video ive seen where the filmer realizes, hey maybe i should help instead of filming

i don't know why the dude didn't just leave. no point in standing around to watch something like that...

except for massive youtube clicks and ad revenue :sneaky:
 
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