Inspired by Wal Mart thread

[blackangst1]

There are so many threads railing minimum wage, and it got me thinking...what do you think is fair? Of course it depends on what part of the country you live in, but lets say an average.

Discuss.

Edit: spelling

 

[ProfJohn]

There are many who will argue that there should be no minimum wage at all, but that the market should set the rate. In Fl the rate is $6.40, but no one pays that, they all pay higher, besides fast food and other places with a high number of unskilled minors working for them.

BTW: how many people in this country actually work at the minimum wage? And how many of those people are actually trying to live off that wage?

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

 

[Balt]

Whether people like to admit it or not, increasing the minimum wage will cost jobs. Getting paid something is better than getting paid nothing.

Minimum wage and living wage are not the same thing, and probably never will be. It's just the reality of things, unfortunately.

 

[borosp1]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

The problem with that statement is if there was no floor then lowlife businessman would pay everyone $2/hr and have the same argument: "if we pay more then we cant survive"....

 

[shrumpage]

depends where you live.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: borosp1

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

The problem with that statement is if there was no floor then lowlife businessman CreateeService/OpenService: Overlapped I/O operation is in progress would pay everyone $2/hr and have the same argument: "if we pay more then we cant survive"....

Who would take a $2 an hour job?

 

[borosp1]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: borosp1

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

The problem with that statement is if there was no floor then lowlife businessman CreateeService/OpenService: Overlapped I/O operation is in progress would pay everyone $2/hr and have the same argument: "if we pay more then we cant survive"....

Who would take a $2 an hour job?

The same people who take minumum wage jobs..because thats all they can get right now.

 

[jevans64]

I just voted $7.50 to $8.00 just to place a vote. The federal minimum wage will always be lower than the actual minimum wage and was never meant to be a representation of cost-of-living. It is just there to keep businesses from paying employees too little. Like I mentioned in the Wal-Mart thread, I live in a fairly competitive market where employers don't want to be left behind. I think the unemployment rate in this area is in the 3% neighborhood mainly because there are some people that don't want to work.

I even heard rumors that there is signage at the Mexico/US border that states something like "Jobs available here ( in our area )." :laugh: By the thriving little mexican community we got going here, I'd have to say that this rumor is true. :laugh: I'm not complaining as most of the people are nice and there are FINALLY some REAL Mexican food options here.

Most large businesses here evaluate their salary structures yearly and adjust them according to the competition. Where I work, the pay grades really didn't change BUT the same job available last year pays a grade higher this year.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: borosp1

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: borosp1

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

The problem with that statement is if there was no floor then lowlife businessman CreateeService/OpenService: Overlapped I/O operation is in progress would pay everyone $2/hr and have the same argument: "if we pay more then we cant survive"....

Who would take a $2 an hour job?

The same people who take minumum wage jobs..because thats all they can get right now.

So kids in high school?

 

[straightalker]

Why not have everybody working to improve mankind. No money. No prices.

People have even written science fiction works around that theme. Some based on the Star Trek Universe for instance.

Granted, to do so would take a very much higher level of civilization than the Ice Age brutality we currently still are stuck at now as humanity.

Getting back to the current praticality of minimum wages and living wages, there's some great areas of improvement that could be made to make a minimum comfortable life for everyone. Return to the Constitutional issuance of money based on a gold/silver standard. That means booting out the central bankers. Eliminate cartels that create artificial scarcity and other scams. Fight corruption with a true justice system. Currently the judges and lawyers are for the most part all scum.

Walmart is a cartel. They must be broken up and be forced to divest from China. China, a scum slave Nation, should be made illegal to trade with - period.

Close the USA borders and build a tall 2000 mile steel wall and efforce the laws that ban the hiring of illegal aliens. They will go home. Most of them. The rest though may need a good punt to sail them over the border wall.

What would a living wage be then? I could not place a dollar per hour figure on it. But it would be infinitely more achievable than the previous impossible situation.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: straightalker
Why not have everybody working to improve mankind. No money. No prices.

People have even written science fiction works around that theme. Some based on the Star Trek Universe for instance.

Granted, to do so would take a very much higher level of civilization than the Ice Age brutality we currently still are stuck at now as humanity.

Getting back to the current praticality of minimum wages and living wages, there's some great areas of improvement that could be made to make a minimum comfortable life for everyone. Return to the Constitutional issuance of money based on a gold/silver standard. That means booting out the central bankers. Eliminate cartels that create artificial scarcity and other scams. Fight corruption with a true justice system. Currently the judges and lawyers are for the most part all scum.

Walmart is a cartel. They must be broken up and be forced to divest from China. China, a scum slave Nation, should be made illegal to trade with - period.

Close the USA borders and build a tall 2000 mile steel wall and efforce the laws that ban the hiring of illegal aliens. They will go home. Most of them. The rest though may need a good punt to sail them over the border wall.

What would a living wage be then? I could not place a dollar per hour figure on it. But it would be infinitely more achievable than the previous impossible situation.

Hmm...sounds like a workers paradise, where have I heard that before?

I'm just curious, why so much hate towards Walmart? No one is forcing anyone to shop there or work there. And I like your idea of the steel wall, too bad its not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[1EZduzit]

Introduction

Despite a record stock market and strong economic growth, poverty remains high in the United States. One out of five children live below the offical poverty line in the richest nation on earth. The population of Americaâs working poor has grown because the wage floor has failed to keep pace with the cost of living over the last three decades. The federal minimum wage, which in 1968 stood at 86% of the wage necessary to lift a worker and his or her family to the official poverty line for a family of four, today represents less than 64% of that "living wage." The federal minimum wage, presently $5.15 an hour, would need to be raised to $8.20 an hour simply to meet the federal poverty level. In many higher-cost regions, a true living wage is substantially higher (up to $18 per hour).

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Introduction

Despite a record stock market and strong economic growth, poverty remains high in the United States. One out of five children live below the offical poverty line in the richest nation on earth. The population of Americaâs working poor has grown because the wage floor has failed to keep pace with the cost of living over the last three decades. The federal minimum wage, which in 1968 stood at 86% of the wage necessary to lift a worker and his or her family to the official poverty line for a family of four, today represents less than 64% of that "living wage." The federal minimum wage, presently $5.15 an hour, would need to be raised to $8.20 an hour simply to meet the federal poverty level. In many higher-cost regions, a true living wage is substantially higher (up to $18 per hour).

Cool, lets raise the minimum wage to $18 per hour, then everyone will be happy.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Introduction

Despite a record stock market and strong economic growth, poverty remains high in the United States. One out of five children live below the offical poverty line in the richest nation on earth. The population of Americaâs working poor has grown because the wage floor has failed to keep pace with the cost of living over the last three decades. The federal minimum wage, which in 1968 stood at 86% of the wage necessary to lift a worker and his or her family to the official poverty line for a family of four, today represents less than 64% of that "living wage." The federal minimum wage, presently $5.15 an hour, would need to be raised to $8.20 an hour simply to meet the federal poverty level. In many higher-cost regions, a true living wage is substantially higher (up to $18 per hour).

Cool, lets raise the minimum wage to $18 per hour, then everyone will be happy.

Like I said in the other thread, maybe you don't think?? Either that or your just another know-it-all who's still wet behind the ears?? I guess I really don't care what your problem is, you have your opinion and I have mine. Good luck with it.

 

[fitzov]

What is fair... fair is getting paid what you are worth, not what the government decides you should be paid.

What were the slaves worth?

 

[bctbct]

Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Introduction

Despite a record stock market and strong economic growth, poverty remains high in the United States. One out of five children live below the offical poverty line in the richest nation on earth. The population of Americaâs working poor has grown because the wage floor has failed to keep pace with the cost of living over the last three decades. The federal minimum wage, which in 1968 stood at 86% of the wage necessary to lift a worker and his or her family to the official poverty line for a family of four, today represents less than 64% of that "living wage." The federal minimum wage, presently $5.15 an hour, would need to be raised to $8.20 an hour simply to meet the federal poverty level. In many higher-cost regions, a true living wage is substantially higher (up to $18 per hour).

Its not my fvcking problem morons overbreed. Most children living in poverty are living in poverty because their parents are stupid and had childern when they couldnt afford it, or two they had to many children.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Introduction

Despite a record stock market and strong economic growth, poverty remains high in the United States. One out of five children live below the offical poverty line in the richest nation on earth. The population of Americaâs working poor has grown because the wage floor has failed to keep pace with the cost of living over the last three decades. The federal minimum wage, which in 1968 stood at 86% of the wage necessary to lift a worker and his or her family to the official poverty line for a family of four, today represents less than 64% of that "living wage." The federal minimum wage, presently $5.15 an hour, would need to be raised to $8.20 an hour simply to meet the federal poverty level. In many higher-cost regions, a true living wage is substantially higher (up to $18 per hour).

Cool, lets raise the minimum wage to $18 per hour, then everyone will be happy.

Like I said in the other thread, maybe you don't think?? Either that or your just another know-it-all who's still wet behind the ears?? I guess I really don't care what your problem is, you have your opinion and I have mine. Good luck with it.

Yes and then inflation makes the $18/hr moot.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Introduction

Despite a record stock market and strong economic growth, poverty remains high in the United States. One out of five children live below the offical poverty line in the richest nation on earth. The population of Americaâs working poor has grown because the wage floor has failed to keep pace with the cost of living over the last three decades. The federal minimum wage, which in 1968 stood at 86% of the wage necessary to lift a worker and his or her family to the official poverty line for a family of four, today represents less than 64% of that "living wage." The federal minimum wage, presently $5.15 an hour, would need to be raised to $8.20 an hour simply to meet the federal poverty level. In many higher-cost regions, a true living wage is substantially higher (up to $18 per hour).

Cool, lets raise the minimum wage to $18 per hour, then everyone will be happy.

Like I said in the other thread, maybe you don't think?? Either that or your just another know-it-all who's still wet behind the ears?? I guess I really don't care what your problem is, you have your opinion and I have mine. Good luck with it.

Yes and then inflation makes the $18/hr moot.

Enough with the common sense, back to the utopian world of everyone making $18 an hour with free healthcare and no one living below the poverty line.

 

[straightalker]

What if the 1% living at the top don't want those who are living at the bottom to live. They control most of the economy and the jobs. How do you set a living wage then?

That's where i see this all going to. Eventually we'll see the Peak Oil scam implemented. As the World allegedly runs out of it's oil stocks, mass starvation will follow. Especially in the coming decades as population swells to 9 billion by 2035 or whatever. Alot more people anyway you count them.

Here's something. If we just opened up access to the suppressed energy technologies, the entire planet would have unlimited cheap power. Talk about a transformation!!!

The World's number one problem is mankind's evil nature translated into greed.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JD50
Who would take a $2 an hour job?

Most of the service Industry gets paid $2.13 hr.

This is the rate Republicans want the entire Country.

Many states have overidden the $2.13hr wage with as high as $8.00.

Can't have that even though $10hr is considered right at the poverty line.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JD50
Who would take a $2 an hour job?

Most of the service Industry gets paid $2.13 hr.

This is the rate Republicans want the entire Country.

Many states have overidden the $2.13hr wage with as high as $8.00.

Can't have that even though $10hr is considered right at the poverty line.

Ok, let me rephrase that, who would take a $2 an hour job that does not come with large tips?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JD50
Who would take a $2 an hour job?

Most of the service Industry gets paid $2.13 hr.

This is the rate Republicans want the entire Country.

Many states have overidden the $2.13hr wage with as high as $8.00.

Can't have that even though $10hr is considered right at the poverty line.

Most of the service industry?

You mean most of the resturant service industry, and even then I wouldnt say most, the only people working for that are the wait staff. The cooks, dishwashers, bus boys, etc earn from min wage to $15/hr.Almost everyone I know working for less than $3 per hour bring home $70-80 in tips a night. Hell its not uncommon for waiters in fine dining to make $50k+ a year.

And quit spouting $10hr is right at the poverty line. $10hr is at the poverty line for a family of 4. 2x10hr jobs equal well above the poverty line. Honestly people shouldn't have kids if they cannot afford them.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bctbct
Raising min. wage will cut jobs, then why year after year do the number of workers go up?

Why do most jobs pay above min. wage? Because most employers realize to get workers they must pay more....that inflation has outpaced min. wage increases.

I could pay .10 more for a hamburger if they jacked up the min wage by a buck.

If most jobs pay above minimum wage then why do we need to raise it?

If you are so eager to pay more for a hamburger, then go ahead, I'm sure the high school kid taking your money will be grateful for the tip.

Because there are still companies that pay minimum, which is lagging behind inflation.

So you are just against HS workers getting a raise?