Install Vista, Install Big Brother

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

And under the DRM that act of actually looking on your personal PC for something like a Sony rootkit has been made illegal?

What "DRM act"? Are you talking about the DMCA? If so, your interpretation seems to be a pretty unique one considering that if it was illegal to look for a rootkit on your PC all of those antivirus and antispyware tools would be illegal which obviously isn't true.

Fact: Sony rootkit was legally, though very deceptively installed on users computers. installed for the purpose of Copyright protection of Sony BMG materials.

Fact: The 1998 DCMA makes it a crime to attempt to disable or circumvent any software or device that is designed to protect Copyrighted material.

Conclusion: It is illegal to detect and remove the Sony rootkit.

Of course Mark Russinovich of Sysinternals who originally detected the Sony rootkit by accident got a nice price for his company when he sold to M$.

As for hiding this DRM metadata in an MP3 or other file format, anyone with a little competency could hide it so it was not apparently part of the ID3 tags, and even if it did end up as "noise" simply make it outside of the hearing range of the human ear.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: ShawnYou are not losing anything by using your old hardware and switching to Vista, you just can't make use of some of Vista's new features. What about that is so hard to understand?

And what happens in 2 or 3 years when your old hardware just doesn't cut it any longer and you are ready to upgrade. Will you have a choice?

Then you get new hardware which is capable of displaying HD content and you have nothing to worry about. No one is forcing you to watch HD on your pc but now you have the option whereas before you didn't. Whether you use the new features is up to you.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: Nothinman

And under the DRM that act of actually looking on your personal PC for something like a Sony rootkit has been made illegal?

What "DRM act"? Are you talking about the DMCA? If so, your interpretation seems to be a pretty unique one considering that if it was illegal to look for a rootkit on your PC all of those antivirus and antispyware tools would be illegal which obviously isn't true.

Fact: Sony rootkit was legally, though very deceptively installed on users computers. installed for the purpose of Copyright protection of Sony BMG materials.

Fact: The 1998 DCMA makes it a crime to attempt to disable or circumvent any software or device that is designed to protect Copyrighted material.

Conclusion: It is illegal to detect and remove the Sony rootkit.

Of course Mark Russinovich of Sysinternals who originally detected the Sony rootkit by accident got a nice price for his company when he sold to M$.

And that is why Sony was sued and lost? And why Sony "hastily offered a "patch" to the software, allowing angry buyers to view the files hidden by the rootkit. " Do a quick google search.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Shawn

And that is why Sony was sued and lost? And why Sony "hastily offered a "patch" to the software, allowing angry buyers to view the files hidden by the rootkit. " Do a quick google search.

That was a business decision, pure and simple. Just before Christmas, and all this bad press. They understood that this could effect their profits if they didn't mend some fences and quickly.

 

[Nothinman]

Of course Mark Russinovich of Sysinternals who originally detected the Sony rootkit by accident got a nice price for his company when he sold to M$.

And yet he's not in jail, wonder why that is?

As for hiding this DRM metadata in an MP3 or other file format, anyone with a little competency could hide it so it was not apparently part of the ID3 tags, and even if it did end up as "noise" simply make it outside of the hearing range of the human ear.

Possibly, although extremely unlikely and other fileformats aren't as forgiving as MP3 so adding random data to the file won't work. And your 'solution' requires that the MP3 be ripped by an app that is designed to tag the MP3 so it's completely useless, just encode all of your discs with lame instead of WMP.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Do your rippin on a Linux box is probably the best solution.

It does not have to be ripped by an application designed to tag the MP3, it only needs to be ripped on a PC with an OS and device driver that is designed to tag the file. The app would never know it was happening.

Even the crude Sony/BMG rootkit intercepted all data from a CD and could do whatever it wanted, including 'phoning home' with Cd's played. (the spyware side of the rootkit)

OH! he ain't in jail, cause Sony recognized it would be corporate suicide to prosecute him for exposing their very unquestionable and illegal activities (the root kit installed even if you did NOT agree to the EULA it displayed)

 

[Shawn]

Talk about paranoid. I bet the governement is out to get you too, eh?

BTW, even if Vista somehow tagged your ripped music, why would it matter since you own the cd anyway? It would only prove that you ripped the music yourself. Pirated music wouldn't have any tag but how could windows or anyone else know if it was ripped before or after this measure was implemented? It couldn't! But it doesn't matter because that's like asking what if pigs could fly.

Bill Gates himself has said that he disliked DRM and suggested that people should just buy cds and rip them, instead of buying songs online in order to avoid DRM. http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/14/bill-gates-on-the-future-of-drm/

 

[Seekermeister]

I used to wonder when reading the Bible and it spoke of people who should have known better, following after Satan and accepting the mark of the beast. Especially since the Bible says that the people of the end time are more intelligent than any before. I have always considered a computer to be a invention of the Devil, but I also believe that it is possible to do good with it. It seems that when I first started using a computer (not many years ago), it was much easier to find people who were more skeptical about the intent of Bill Gates and MS, but that is becoming far more rare. If anyone dares to speak out, they are confronted with scoffing and ridicule. I don't expect anything less, but then I have done so, so many times before, that it has no effect on me. Instead of laughing, you should use the time to at least consider the implications. I know that few of you will, but then you shall not be able to point a finger at me, in regards to the destiny of your path.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I used to wonder when reading the Bible and it spoke of people who should have known better, following after Satan and accepting the mark of the beast. Especially since the Bible says that the people of the end time are more intelligent than any before. I have always considered a computer to be a invention of the Devil, but I also believe that it is possible to do good with it. It seems that when I first started using a computer (not many years ago), it was much easier to find people who were more skeptical about the intent of Bill Gates and MS, but that is becoming far more rare. If anyone dares to speak out, they are confronted with scoffing and ridicule. I don't expect anything less, but then I have done so, so many times before, that it has no effect on me. Instead of laughing, you should use the time to at least consider the implications. I know that few of you will, but then you shall not be able to point a finger at me, in regards to the destiny of your path.

And you wonder why no-one answers your tech questions around here.

 

[bsobel]

Fact: Sony rootkit was legally, though very deceptively installed on users computers. installed for the purpose of Copyright protection of Sony BMG materials.
Fact: The 1998 DCMA makes it a crime to attempt to disable or circumvent any software or device that is designed to protect Copyrighted material.
Conclusion: It is illegal to detect and remove the Sony rootkit.

Fact: You are incorrect in your basic assesment of the DCMA. Sony's actions weren't legal according to US law, it is NOT illegal to detect and remove teh Sony rootkit.

Of course Mark Russinovich of Sysinternals who originally detected the Sony rootkit by accident got a nice price for his company when he sold to M$.

Unrelated, I had two chances to by Sysinternals a year before the MS deal.

As for hiding this DRM metadata in an MP3 or other file format, anyone with a little competency could hide it so it was not apparently part of the ID3 tags, and even if it did end up as "noise" simply make it outside of the hearing range of the human ear.

Your refering to watermarking, and yes some people do that for drm'd content. But its very difficult in a lossy scheme like the mp3 standard as simply reencoding the file loses the watermark. That is why the distributors want to ensure you don't have access to the unencrypted bits from the drive to the output device (thats the point of DRM, no access to raw bits anywhere in the stream). There is nothing about it which effects your ability to rip content from current media. It will only be new media (like BluRay and HDDVD, HDCD's) which will benefit (benefit = the creators, not he consumers).

Oh, and suggesting out that the ripping of cd's gets uploaded to the NSA makes you look like an idiot.

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: GimpyFuzznut
What's the big deal? You don't like it? Don't waste your money on DRM crap called "premium content" and you won't have any problems. All this apocalypse scenario junk only applies to the people who are going to waste their money on that crap. If you don't like it, show them you don't like it and pirate that ****** instead. There won't be any problems playing ripped music and pirated movies in SD or HD or whatever. If you honestly go out and spend a thousand bucks on a Blu-Ray drive you deserve to get raped for being a stupid consumer and putting up with MPAA and RIAA's greed and BS. Personally, I'm going to continue doing what I've always done and send a big stinking F*** Y** to those Nazi organizations and enjoy DRM-free 1080 movies.

You're a dumbass and you're making the world a worse place for everybody here. It's because of people like you that drm exists. I've got no problems with demonstrating that drm is useless in stopping pirates and with circumventing it for fair use purposes, but trying to justify simply taking the content is despicable.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: bsobel
And you wonder why no-one answers your tech questions around here.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you aren't the only person that answers tech questions here.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister

Originally posted by: bsobel
And you wonder why no-one answers your tech questions around here.

Sorry to disappoint you, but you aren't the only person that answers tech questions here.

I absolutely wasn't refering to just me.

 

[Seekermeister]

bsobel,

It really doesn't matter who you were referring to. Nor would it matter if no one answered my questions, because that is not the only reason that I post on this forum. Appoarently, the holidays is over as far as you are concerned.

 

[mechBgon]

Especially since the Bible says that the people of the end time are more intelligent than any before.

I don't recall seeing that stated or implied anywhere in Biblical apocolyptic writing. You don't specify what you mean by the "intent" of Bill Gates and Microsoft, so I can only wonder what you think that might be, but a DRM system that allows artists to control their intellectual property hardly strikes me as inherently bad. It's their IP. They can license it how they want to. When's the last time someone complained that the key to their Honda Accord doesn't work on everyone else's Honda Accord, just on the principle of the thing?

 

[Nothinman]

It does not have to be ripped by an application designed to tag the MP3, it only needs to be ripped on a PC with an OS and device driver that is designed to tag the file. The app would never know it was happening.

Impossible, the best it could do is tag the PCM audio coming from the drive but compression would screw up the tag.

but a DRM system that allows artists to control their intellectual property hardly strikes me as inherently bad. It's their IP. They can license it how they want to.

The idea is nice but with regards to the media industry it's not usually the artist that's interested in DRM but the distributers and big business that currently pwn the artists.

 

[Seekermeister]

mechbgon,

Daniel 7:4

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
mechbgon,

Daniel 7:4

"The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. "

Clearly they are discussing Windows Vista, it's all so clear now.

 

[Seekermeister]

bsobel,

I made a mistake, it is Daniel 12:4. But it is good that you had enough interest to look it up.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

EDIT: BTW, the subject of the reference was about world knowledge, not Windows or Vista.

 

[Markbnj]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I used to wonder when reading the Bible and it spoke of people who should have known better, following after Satan and accepting the mark of the beast. Especially since the Bible says that the people of the end time are more intelligent than any before. I have always considered a computer to be a invention of the Devil, but I also believe that it is possible to do good with it. It seems that when I first started using a computer (not many years ago), it was much easier to find people who were more skeptical about the intent of Bill Gates and MS, but that is becoming far more rare. If anyone dares to speak out, they are confronted with scoffing and ridicule. I don't expect anything less, but then I have done so, so many times before, that it has no effect on me. Instead of laughing, you should use the time to at least consider the implications. I know that few of you will, but then you shall not be able to point a finger at me, in regards to the destiny of your path.

Consider what implications? There is never any evidence of the illegal and immoral machinations you guys love to prattle on about, but point that out and the answer is uniformly along the lines of "Open your mind," or "Consider the implications." There are no implications, because there is nothing going on, and there is no evidence to the contrary. Thus, any ordinary person who wasted his or her time considering your "implications" is doing just that: wasting time. Microsoft is just a company that happens to have an important and widely-used product. It's employees are thousands of ordinary people whom, if they became aware of the purported evil behind the facade, would largely either leave or speak out about it. Microsoft has no interest, at all, commercial or otherwise, in protecting content _beyond the simple fact_ that there are two third parties, both of whom use their platform, who may have an interest in sharing protected content; namely producers and consumers. So it is in Microsoft's interest to see if it can bring those two parties together. It's a simple fact of business that has been pointed out over and over again, but is consistently ignored by the anti-Microsoft crowd. Microsoft doesn't own the content; they don't make money off the content; and they don't gain anything from helping producers make more money off the content, unless they can bring the two parties together with Windows as the switch. There's nothing even remotely immoral or corrupt about it, and references to apocalyptic biblical passages in association with this topic just makes the referrer look like an unbalanced person, frankly. Computers an invention of the devil? Books too, I assume. Aren't there better places on the Internet to post this kind of crap?

 

[Seekermeister]

Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

Please keep this crap to OT or P&N, not OS.

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
I used to wonder when reading the Bible and it spoke of people who should have known better, following after Satan and accepting the mark of the beast. Especially since the Bible says that the people of the end time are more intelligent than any before. I have always considered a computer to be a invention of the Devil, but I also believe that it is possible to do good with it. It seems that when I first started using a computer (not many years ago), it was much easier to find people who were more skeptical about the intent of Bill Gates and MS, but that is becoming far more rare. If anyone dares to speak out, they are confronted with scoffing and ridicule. I don't expect anything less, but then I have done so, so many times before, that it has no effect on me. Instead of laughing, you should use the time to at least consider the implications. I know that few of you will, but then you shall not be able to point a finger at me, in regards to the destiny of your path.

You are not alone.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Seekermeister
bsobel,

I made a mistake, it is Daniel 12:4. But it is good that you had enough interest to look it up.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

EDIT: BTW, the subject of the reference was about world knowledge, not Windows or Vista.

You said "intelligent," not knowledgeable. Yes, naturally human knowledge is increasing, since we have ever-improving ways of sharing and retaining information to build upon. That doesn't make us more intelligent per se. But it's an irrelevant point, so I'll let you pick the words you like best.

Out of curiosity, do you own a television? Will you continue to own a television if they're all equipped with DRM enforcement hardware?

 

[loup garou]

Jesus Christ, this thread attracts nutjobs like flies to sh1t.