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greylica

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Jesus Christ, this thread attracts nutjobs like flies to sh1t.

Over the centuries, religion or force was the meaning of control for the masses. Now the time changes it. Technology is becoming the new religion, but it will only for a few decades, when the nanoscale technology starts the real war.
Today we still see the traces of tha centuries in the Medium-Orient, and in the radical religious that became terrorists.
What we are seeing in the future is the tecno-terrorism, started by those activities under DRM. The piracy quickly became a important part of the underclasses all over the world, and not all of the countries have social equity to accept this because they aren't affected.
At this point I wonder if the chinese people will not surprise us with another standard like that they are using now for E-DVDs. It seems it is the only choice, while the Nations are starting the war against piracy and at the same time they are pushing the consumers to use things that they do not need.
They are treating us like a simple mass of consumers that they can control to give them the money they want. That's the evil system turning to be a reality. The apocalypse is turning to be real as the nighmare promoted by those that turns the technology into a new religion to dominate the world.
Sooner or later you will not call me crazy nor idiot anymore.
The technology that is created to control masses does not have impact only in U.S. It's global impact can create cyber-terrorists and sooner or later we will not have anything to do. In this scenario, Microsoft will create the system for the evil emperor.
In the apocalypse they say it for four or seven years only.
 

Seekermeister

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

Please keep this crap to OT or P&N, not OS.
I made a simple statement. The only reason that I continue posting is in response to remarks such as your's. If you don't like this, then stop provoking it.

 

Markbnj

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

You're not going into specifics because there are no specifics. There are only the vague insinuations of hidden knowlege that are always part and parcel of the conspiracist's outlook on the world.

Out of curiosity, do you own a television? Will you continue to own a television if they're all equipped with DRM enforcement hardware?

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stash

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Sooner or later you will not call me crazy nor idiot anymore.
Don't count on it.

This thread is ridiculous. This is an OS forum, not a forum for religious discussion. Take that crap somewhere else.
 

Seekermeister

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
bsobel,

I made a mistake, it is Daniel 12:4. But it is good that you had enough interest to look it up.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

EDIT: BTW, the subject of the reference was about world knowledge, not Windows or Vista.
You said "intelligent," not knowledgeable. Yes, naturally human knowledge is increasing, since we have ever-improving ways of sharing and retaining information to build upon. That doesn't make us more intelligent per se. But it's an irrelevant point, so I'll let you pick the words you like best.

Out of curiosity, do you own a television? Will you continue to own a television if they're all equipped with DRM enforcement hardware?

I tend to agree with you on how you differentiate between knowledge and intelligence. However, I chose the word "intelligence" for my own reasons. That choice is not really a departure from the Scriptures. It should be obvious that the Scripture was referring to a degree beyond that of which is historically normal, because the knowledge of mankind has always grown at one rate or another. But never as it has in the past few decades.

As far as your question regarding TV...it is turned off most of the time, and when it is on, it is usually to view old movies that are usually not broadcast any longer. If anything in the hardware or software aspects of this were to force a choice of accepting DRM or anything worse, I would no longer own a TV. It's bad enough as it is.
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

Please keep this crap to OT or P&N, not OS.

Oh hell no, don't you dare stick him in OT.
 
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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

Please keep this crap to OT or P&N, not OS.

Oh hell no, don't you dare stick him in OT.

We will defend this house!

- M4H
 

frizzzby

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And how can Vista discern between MP3s that you've downloaded and ones that you ripped yourself?

Uhh I would think it would be quite easy to flag a downloaded MP3 at the time it's downloades, wouldn't you????
 

Nothinman

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Uhh I would think it would be quite easy to flag a downloaded MP3 at the time it's downloades, wouldn't you????

The real question was how it could determine if the MP3 was illegal or not, not all downloaded MP3s are illegal.
 

Seekermeister

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
Markbnj,

It would seem that you think that I believe that MS is the root of all evil. No, evil is far more ubiquitous than that. That is the problem with evil, it is so commonplace that it is so familiar that if a person focuses only on one instance of it, it seems laughable. I do not intend to try to be specific about this, because it would be futile. Nor am I going to delve deeply into a theological homily, because all that would do is to feed the fires being stoked by the skeptics. Without going into specifics, MS is not a typical company, and it's interests go beyond just making money.

Please keep this crap to OT or P&N, not OS.

Oh hell no, don't you dare stick him in OT.
Nobody sticks me anywhere. I have been in OT on occassion, and will be again...if I have something that I wish to say.
 

RebateMonger

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Peter Gutmann's article is really disturbing to me. From a business standpoint, I could care less about video and audio content protection, but I'm really disturbed by the guaranteed negative effects that content protection will have on PC performance, reliability and cost. It appears that ten years of improvements in these areas are about to be thrown out the Window(s) .
 

Seekermeister

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RebateMonger,

I seriously doubt that Gutmann's article will ever have such an effect on Vista or MS. If the mere fact that someone should speak about the negative aspects of a Windows OS would have such a potential, then MS would have gone bankrupt years ago. And I believe that it is somewhat premature to declare Vista an improvement in the departments that you mentioned. But, even if it is, progress at any price is no bargain.

EDIT: Rereading you post, I put the wrong spin on it, so ignore most of what I said.
 

greylica

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The topic continues to show something that Microsoft always know, but in fact you can avoid all of these problems if you have an previous backup of iolder programs that you have payed for and save a wave format or pass trough Analogic to digital again. All of the signatures can be killed... In the same way pirates go to a cinema and record with digital camcorders and no DRM is found. The proposition of DRM is defective by design , and it imposes more problems to honest people than to the pirates.
All of the entire ecosystem are promessing to media producers something they cannot achieve, and media producers are using this to make the prices higher than with normal manufacturing.
After all, Bill Gates is right to say that is better to buy a CD and rip it, but they will find a way to kill CDs forever and gain the same amount of money with electronic devices, but the price of distribution is very very lower than the price to produce a CD. the DRM is a way they can set up the prices higher and blame the pirates saying they are the real blame.
This last year they want to set up prices higher than what the consumer are normally paying to services like Itunes, Apple say no, and now they are forcing a way to put higher prices on their electronic songs, pledging DRM is the problem the consumers have to swallow and asking computer industry to solve their problems.
Microsoft is promessing this, but the problem is that all of the tecnology inviolved to do so turns Vista into an Elephant and it is defective by design.
There are proof that it will not function. But the consumers is taking all of the charge, and for them, there is no problem at all. The consumers take all the charge allways.
Its's clear that the point we are disgusted is why Vista O.S. have to deal with this problem. There is only one answer.
Microsoft is selling our heads to them. because Micriosoft acts like O.S. and Media, as well as books are the same thing, and it's been DMCA protected.
We can simply do not use Vista. Thats what I will do.
It's not about the money, it's about liberty.
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
...And I believe that it is somewhat premature to declare Vista an improvement in the departments that you mentioned. But, even if it is, progress at any price is no bargain.
I never said that Vista represented an improvement. It SHOULD have been an improvement. But if Gutman's analysis is even in the ballpark....my engineering, manufacturing, and quality experiences (from a previous life) cause me to cringe.

Until now, DRM was mostly a sideshow. It didn't affect the basic functionality and performance of the OS. But Gutmann's article points to a myriad of potential problems which will negatively affect new product development, costs, driver development, performance, reliability, and vulnerability of PCs.
 

Seekermeister

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greylica,

After all, Bill Gates is right to say that is better to buy a CD and rip it, but they will find a way to kill CDs forever and gain the same amount of money with electronic devices, but the price of distribution is very very lower than the price to produce a CD. the DRM is a way they can set up the prices higher and blame the pirates saying they are the real blame.
Apparently, CDs are already on their way out. I saw a news story on TV, a few weeks ago, about this. I forget the name, but a company that had the largest chain of music stores in the country went out of business, because of the effect of internet music sources.
 

greylica

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
greylica,

Apparently, CDs are already on their way out. I saw a news story on TV, a few weeks ago, about this. I forget the name, but a company that had the largest chain of music stores in the country went out of business, because of the effect of internet music sources.

It is a proof of my theory, they are intending to do a new inquisition, and some are saying that O.S. problems are not religious things, but everything thats try to dominate the union of persons that share the same Ideas is considered a religion. It can be an idea or an entire force. In this way, they are intending this to continue the system for the money, and increasing the system to the point we cannot control our lives anymore. But in fact they will not be able to contain it, because DRM is the true Cancer, Linux is not the Cancer,

DRM is the Real Cancer of the technology. Turns new hardware sick. Turns O.S.s completely Sick.

 

Seekermeister

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It's not just OSs...all things are religious factors, in one way or another. But then I think that you know that.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: greylica
Originally posted by: Seekermeister
greylica,

Apparently, CDs are already on their way out. I saw a news story on TV, a few weeks ago, about this. I forget the name, but a company that had the largest chain of music stores in the country went out of business, because of the effect of internet music sources.

It is a proof of my theory, they are intending to do a new inquisition, and some are saying that O.S. problems are not religious things, but everything thats try to dominate the union of persons that share the same Ideas is considered a religion. It can be an idea or an entire force. In this way, they are intending this to continue the system for the money, and increasing the system to the point we cannot control our lives anymore. But in fact they will not be able to contain it, because DRM is the true Cancer, Linux is not the Cancer,

DRM is the Real Cancer of the technology. Turns new hardware sick. Turns O.S.s completely Sick.

The store in question (Tower Records) was forced out of business because of market forces, not some evil conspiracy. The general consumer has embraced online music stores because of their convenience and relative low cost. CDs have been marked up way too high for years, and it's difficult to justify spending $13.99 on an entire CD when in minutes you can spend $0.99 on the single song you want.

The success of iTunes' DRM scheme is due largely to the fact that it is relatively unobtrusive. I can still burn my songs to a CD or transfer them to my iPod without really worrying about it. When DRM becomes cumbersome and draconian (witness Sony's miserable DRM rootkit), consumer backlash has forced manufacturers to retreat. Even the movie studios have disabled the non-HDMI resolution-downgrade flag on HD-DVD and BluRay movies, realizing that early adopters of the technology (who also own some of the earlier generations of HDTVs without HDMI) would not tolerate such heavy-handed copy-protection techniques.

Consumers still have power in this market, believe it or not.
 

Seekermeister

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MrChad,

Consumers still have power in this market, believe it or not.
I totally agree that consumers have the power to influence market trends...potentially. But for consumers to exert this power, requires that they speak in unison. This never happens, except in exceptional cases. Therefore, for business, it is a matter of seeing just how much they can get away with, without too much flack. As time goes by, this flack threshold gets higher and higher.
 

greylica

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Originally posted by: Seekermeister
It's not just OSs...all things are religious factors, in one way or another. But then I think that you know that.

But we have still to justify points of vision without religious points.
If we cannot prove them with reality, we cannot prove at all.
I still believe. God is Real.
 

stash

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The store in question (Tower Records) was forced out of business because of market forces, not some evil conspiracy. The general consumer has embraced online music stores because of their convenience and relative low cost. CDs have been marked up way too high for years, and it's difficult to justify spending $13.99 on an entire CD when in minutes you can spend $0.99 on the single song you want.
Which is just tragic. Going to Tower was an experience that can't be matched by the impersonal digital stores. I remember my parents took me to the one on Broadway when I was a little kid, and I still remember the dude behind the register...pink mohawk, piercings in just about every centimeter of his face.

You could find anything in a store like that, stuff you'll never see online. Pawing through the stacks to find a gem was an art to some. Online stores are clinical, antiseptic boring places that sell a lot of crap that is crap in both content and quality. I love the convenience of purchasing online as much as anyone else, but for me, the current state of digital music stores leaves way too much to be desired.

Consumers still have power in this market, believe it or not
This is true of course, and equally sad. It sad that the majority of people don't really care how much of a ripoff 99 cents is for a DRM'ed low quality digital copy of the latest Justin Timberlake drivel.
 

Seekermeister

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greylica,

But we have still to justify points of vision without religious points.
If we cannot prove them with reality, we cannot prove at all.
It is not a Christian's responsibility to prove all things to non-Christians, because that is not possible...at least to their satisfaction. We do have the responsibility to speaking about such things, but a non-Christian has to find their own proof.
 
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