Installing Jaunty...........

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: xSauronx
well i installed jaunty on my phenom 2 box, i have a 4870 and compiz works fine.

dvd video has a problem, havent tested anything else. totem outright dies pretty quick, and vlc plays dvds but the system gets sluggish (and it really, really shouldnt)

havent used it much yet, ive been busy, and gaming in windows 7 a little lately

Compiz works "fine" as in it has significant tearing. And as you are experiencing xorg is using massive amounts of cpu, when it should not.

8.10 works better, not perfect but better. I am hoping for a solid solution soon. I want perfect, as in windows/mac like video play back and smoothness. Then Ubuntu will be number 1 in my book!

I know sometimes people get a little touchy when you "insult" their favorite os. I do like ubuntu/linux alot, but unfortunately with my systems it is not usable.

 

[SickBeast]

They always said that Linux runs better on NV hardware. It wasn't all that long ago that AMD released the source code for their drivers, plus they seem to hide the code from their newer cards for at least a year or two.

It seems that NV is the way to go. Even intel drivers are giving me a hard time lately.

 

[sourceninja]

I'm running 9.04 on my AMD64 4400 with a nvidia 8600GT. No problems there, it is serving media like it should to my ps3 and 360 as well as running my backups for me.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: xSauronx
well i installed jaunty on my phenom 2 box, i have a 4870 and compiz works fine.

dvd video has a problem, havent tested anything else. totem outright dies pretty quick, and vlc plays dvds but the system gets sluggish (and it really, really shouldnt)

havent used it much yet, ive been busy, and gaming in windows 7 a little lately

Compiz works "fine" as in it has significant tearing. And as you are experiencing xorg is using massive amounts of cpu, when it should not.

8.10 works better, not perfect but better. I am hoping for a solid solution soon. I want perfect, as in windows/mac like video play back and smoothness. Then Ubuntu will be number 1 in my book!

I know sometimes people get a little touchy when you "insult" their favorite os. I do like ubuntu/linux alot, but unfortunately with my systems it is not usable.

If Video playback/ Compiz is not 100% satisfactory that is not really the OS's fault but that of the hardware vendors drivers.

If ATI's closed source drivers give you problems try the Open source Radeon and radeonHD drivers that are gaining momentum every release, all the up to date info on them can be found at Phoronix. Personally, I would much rather support a company that Opensources their drivers (AMD, Intel) than one who doesn't (Nvidia)- so give it a go. On my laptop (Intel X3100) I have not run into any problems and I am really enjoying Ubuntu 9.04- I don't use it for video playback or games but usually photos + office docs and it does it's job well (wireless for me is finally support out of the box in 9.04). I have a secondary desktop which has Opensuse on it with a 7200GS and it also works well no complaints but I think I may dust off one of my 3850's and try out the Open source ATI drivers and see how they go.

 

[SickBeast]

You can't really blame NV for not opening the source seeing as their GPUs are essentially software to begin with. With the source code, AMD can essentially reverse engineer their GPUs with very little issue whatsoever. They're simply protecting what is theirs. I'm sure they would love to lay off their driver programming team to let the open sauce people do it for free but it's not worth it for them from an IP standpoint obviously.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
You can't really blame NV for not opening the source seeing as their GPUs are essentially software to begin with. With the source code, AMD can essentially reverse engineer their GPUs with very little issue whatsoever. They're simply protecting what is theirs. I'm sure they would love to lay off their driver programming team to let the open sauce people do it for free but it's not worth it for them from an IP standpoint obviously.

The same could be said for ATI before they open sourced their drivers, before releasing documentation it has to be given the once over to makesure there are no IP problems and that what theyre releasing will not come back to bite them. If ATI can do it, so can Nvidia and with Intel and Larabee in the near future Open source graphics are looking alot better than it ever has done.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: SickBeast
You can't really blame NV for not opening the source seeing as their GPUs are essentially software to begin with. With the source code, AMD can essentially reverse engineer their GPUs with very little issue whatsoever. They're simply protecting what is theirs. I'm sure they would love to lay off their driver programming team to let the open sauce people do it for free but it's not worth it for them from an IP standpoint obviously.

The same could be said for ATI before they open sourced their drivers, before releasing documentation it has to be given the once over to makesure there are no IP problems and that what theyre releasing will not come back to bite them. If ATI can do it, so can Nvidia and with Intel and Larabee in the near future Open source graphics are looking alot better than it ever has done.

Yeah but isn't AMD only releasing code for parts that are 2+ years old?

TBH NV's approach seems to have been the best thus far.

What's an open sauce driver going to do that a regular one can't?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
I'm thinking about trying 8.04 on my girl's computer. I'm *hoping* that'll help my problems, but I'm not holding my breath.

I went to 8.04 tonight, but I haven't had a lot of time to play with it. Desktop is much smoother, but Nvidia drivers are still a little squirrely, and my ndiswrapper wifi now locks up the system when I try to update :^S

I'll play with it more tomorrow, but I think this machine is hopeless.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: SickBeast
You can't really blame NV for not opening the source seeing as their GPUs are essentially software to begin with. With the source code, AMD can essentially reverse engineer their GPUs with very little issue whatsoever. They're simply protecting what is theirs. I'm sure they would love to lay off their driver programming team to let the open sauce people do it for free but it's not worth it for them from an IP standpoint obviously.

The same could be said for ATI before they open sourced their drivers, before releasing documentation it has to be given the once over to makesure there are no IP problems and that what theyre releasing will not come back to bite them. If ATI can do it, so can Nvidia and with Intel and Larabee in the near future Open source graphics are looking alot better than it ever has done.

Yeah but isn't AMD only releasing code for parts that are 2+ years old?

TBH NV's approach seems to have been the best thus far.

What's an open sauce driver going to do that a regular one can't?

R600/700 code has been released recently, that means everything is covered since the radeon 8500 (and i think card prior to R200 are supported aswell). If it's open source it's a) cost effective (maintained by community primarily not the vendor, reduces expediture) b) Backward compatiblity (<R500 are still fully supported in Open drivers when support has been dropped in closed source drivers). C) Fixes or additions not reliant on company release cycle. There are more reasons (community participation) but you get the idea- here are some slides from Intel on this topic.

 

[SickBeast]

Well, wake me up where there are open source drivers that are better than the real ones.

AMD/NV engineer the cards; to me, they will be the best people to create the drivers. If anything, a collaborative effort would make way more sense. Maybe you could have one AMD/NV programmer mentoring 10 open sauce chimps.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Well, wake me up where there are open source drivers that are better than the real ones.

AMD/NV engineer the cards; to me, they will be the best people to create the drivers. If anything, a collaborative effort would make way more sense. Maybe you could have one AMD/NV programmer mentoring 10 open sauce chimps.

Well, some people think they are and quality is of no issue, otherwise giants like Intel would not have adopted it. There are some companies that could really do with open sourcing their drivers, Creative comes to mind as their sound cards have notoriously crap drivers and after they shut down a community driver modder recently (who was releasing better modded drivers than Creative) alot of people left in droves.

 

[nortexoid]

I installed Jaunty on my laptop and everything worked out of the box, save for one Intel graphics issue which I found a solution for. I never boot into my Windows partition any more. I've found very solid alternatives to all the Windows software I ran, and all free.