>Hope you had fun writing all that.
Thank you. I did. Have a nice day.
> Here's my lengthy response:
>Yeah, whatever.
So you couldn't find anything to disagree with?
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>As for:
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>quote:
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>By reading this message you signify your agreement to pay me $100,000 to read it, and $100,000 per >second whenever you think about what I've said.
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>How about: You agree to pay me 50 bucks for whiffing my fart. If I bust @ss next to you I'm not really
>giving you a choice just are you are in the above. There is no legally binding contract that I have
>agreed to. Despite your long windedness it's a stupid illustration that doesn't apply
Actually, the incidental prelude to my message which you replied to is shorter than your refutation. Your refutation is stupid and doesn't apply.
>A EULA is a bit different. You MUST agree to it before you use the software. If you don't then you can't
>use the software. You don't own it. It makes no difference whether you paid ahead of time or not.
>A retailer has already charged you money with the assumption that you will agree. If you don't then the
> retailer sold you nothing and you therefore must pay nothing. You get a refund.
All of what you said is a distinction without a difference. Opening a seal does not mean you agree to anything, and clicking a button does not mean you agree to anything. It is only the author of the EULA that claims it. It is exactly because you can't get at the software without these that makes my demo EULA similar, not dissimilar.
You don't get it because you'd rather not get it.
The point is: A contract is a meeting of minds. With that, there is a contract even without any added accouterments. Without it, there is no contract regardless of all the surrounding folderol.
The legal significance of a contract is that it is legally binding. But, like drag was saying, I don't personally give a crap about about the contract aspect, or the government. I know ways to get around practically anything concerning software protection, and so does anyone who has been around a while on the Internet. I could spell it out, if you like. My concern is what I should do even when no one is watching, no cops are going to beat on the door, and the person/company I am dealing with has no practical recourse. It is matter of personal integrity, not law or enforcement. Over the years, I have revised my thoughts, and reversed my thoughts quite a number of times, and I'm still not settled about it.
This subject has been around a long time. Bill Gates got into it with his computer buddies when the infant Microsoft produced Basic for the Altair, if people remember that. You remember how it was: Hippies urinating on the Amercan flag, their Chaiman Mao Red Books nestled closely to their hearts, side by side with their film can full of marijauna. Power to the people! That was normal. As usual, I was mostly against the norm, although I enjoyed their anti-authority attitude. Bill Gates power-to-the-people thing was low cost software for microcomputers. Gates systematic method succeeded unbelievably, while the lunies predicably failed, and indeed wrought grief that we have never fully recovered from. Anyway... back to today:
I don't steal people's property.
Ideas, software, programs, inventions, jokes are not property, nor should they be.
Copying is not stealing property. That doesn't mean there might not be some ethical considerations, but not because copying is wrong, or permission is lacking
The copying problem takes care of itself, it is just that people are unwilling to accept the balance. If the people involved in producing originals don't get enough payment (in their own judgement), they will quit producing it. If it got bad enough, software production would go into slump. That slump is just another way of saying that the people paying for software don't think it is worth the price. If the people producing software don't think it is sufficiently profitable, they should get out of that business. Once they do that, the matter is settled. If they think their occupation IS sufficiently profitable, the matter is also settled.
What software authors want, though, is MORE money, like we all do. That's not ethics. They hope to achieve this (MORE money) by restricting the supply. That's where the government comes in. Normally the market determines the optimum price. But, what is the market price of something that can be reproduced (possibly unlawfully) at a pitance? In the case of ideas, the matter was settled by our society ages ago. The price is zero. This would seem to be the logical optimum price (and morally correct?) for software -zero that is- except that the amount of new originals might drop off too far (in consumers judgement) if this were to happen, so it doesn't go to zero. In practice, it is a long way from zero. In short, there is a non-zero market price as long as somebody wants the production. If you don't like that price, don't get into the business. For ideas, the market price is zero, but even so the salaries of people in the idea-producing business are much above zero, so much so that anybody that can get into it, does.
In the case of music recordings, it is hard to believe there is shortage of originals, judging by the quantity for sale at Best Buy. In fact, judging just by the quantity in comparison to many things considered valuable, an economist might suspect there is a vast oversupply resulting from a misguided attempt to fix the price above a market price.
Are the owners, officer and employees of MS hurting because of copying? If so, they should get out of the business and find something to do people consider worth paying for. Obviously MS is not getting out. The news recently had a story about MS having so much cash it has to use new methods to unload it that it has never done before. I bring this up, not because I have sometthing agianst MS making fantastic amounts of money (they give good value for the money IMO), but just to show how far from being a problem copying is. The automobile companies would love to trade their problems for MS's. It is no coincidence that the basis of MS's fortune is that replication has practically zero cost. That's how it works when you sell things in immense quantity.
Just imagine people's reaction if the automobile companies produced automobiles at 50 cents a copy, were making money hand over fist, and they complained that they should be making more money. People would be amused.
Just to hammer it home, the point of all this isn't to promote moral relativism, or moral indeterminism; it is to show there is no foundation for the claim that copying is wrong by reason of harm. All the claims about some harm being done are false, as well as the claim that copying violates property.
>Silliness. I can't believe you morons are still ranting about this. By all means don't stop. Watching a
>retarded kid getting all frustrated and letting spittle fly everywhere absolutely cracks me up.
>The harder he tries the funnier it is.
If you can spew ridicule without the mods getting down on you, then so can I.
The imbeciles taking your positiion are incoherent, because they can't think; they can only repeat. Their brains have atrophied from disuse, finally vanishing into a singularty up their rectums. Their frothing drool is drenching their clothes, while their mouths move as if an intelligent sound was about to be made, if that were possible, but only an incoherent grunt emits, reminicent of profanity, while their spastic limbs twitch obscenely and they defecate into their stinking shorts noisily, a fragrent puddle gathering at their pants legs.
I am laughing at this moment.
If you were to deal with something said here substantially, it could reveal the povertry of your thought, which is why you don't attempt it. I am at a loss to detect a thought in this part of your message. You are saying I am a a retarded kid. That's purely an insult, without substance. I do understand why you are doing it. You have nothing to say because you have given it no thought. For instance, try thinking on this: Is it because modern society is drifting in moral indeterminism that makes makes shallow, self-serving, baseless rhetoric, like yours, seem to have moral force?
BTW, if what you say is true about the way you way treat retarded people, the world would better off without this. Of course, I realize it is just a rhetorical device to circumvent the prohibition against personal insult. And it is no wonder you are in a terrible mood having been to the politics forum.
Have a nice day
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The captain of the Titanic clearly was a flip-flopper.