Insurance requirement for gun ownership

[bbhaag]

That's how I know opposition to the death penalty is wrong. So many against it.

Haha I love this comment when taken in context. It is so true.

 

[Moonbeam]

We could have survivors of gun violence or family members of the slain provided with gun training and the addresses of NRA executives.

 

[Zorba]

Most people that use guns in crimes or commit murder, can't legally own a gun in the first place. I'm pretty sure they won't purchase any insurance either.

Feel free to back that up with some facts.

Also, the number one and two killers with guys are suicides and accidents. Number three is domestic violence.

 

[Zorba]

So how are you going to tax criminals that illegally possess firearms? Maybe we can start taxing the city of Chicago for what seems like daily mass shootings?

Maybe by fining the people that couldn't be bothered to properly store their guns and got them stolen.

 

[Moonbeam]

Haha I love this comment when taken in context. It is so true.

I hope you know I am against the death penalty. It is wrong regardless of how many disagree. Way back before modern civilization, when there were no governments that could run jails, you had to kill killers as the only way to keep them from killing again. No true today. Numbers never equate to truth

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think it would work just fine. License, registered, insured. Sounds like a capitalism approach to a societal problem.

 

[cytg111]

Hook up to facial recognition software hooked up to gun/metal detector and give cops mandate to preemptively neutralize (shoot to kill) un ensured packing civilians.
I like it.

 

[Greenman]

Seems like a great way to keep guns out of the hands of poor people.

 

[Viper1j]

San Jose mayor: Gun owners should cover the cost of gun violence | CNN

My gun control proposals include two measures that no other city nor state in the United States has ever tried: mandatory gun insurance to support victims, and mandatory gun fees to compensate taxpayers, writes Sam Liccardo. As with many other Silicon Valley innovations, we intend to implement...

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Basically take the costs society pays for gun violence, and distribute it to all gun owners in the form of a tax and an insurance requirement.

Effect: would make it easier for police to take guns away from irresponsible people, allow insurers to get guns away from high risk individuals as premiums would be higher for them, and would make people generally behave safer lest they become uninsurable.

Legal? Not legal? Not sure. You can't do this sort of thing with voting (insurance in order to vote?)but can you do it with guns? Hard to say. Gun ownership already has fees and taxes associated that have been accepted as ok so it doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

They did the same thing with cars.


And cars or more of a life necessity been guns are.

 

[Homerboy]

You could certainly argue that insurance would be part of a "well regulated militia". Hell there are companies that already cater to this market.

yeah but no 2Aers even acknowledge that line in the 2A. They don't even know what a "well regulated militia" is (hint: it's the National Guard)
It's sort of the like excuse of "Yeah, that's just a few bad apples"... you HAVE to say the next line. That's the punchline of the phrase!!!

 

[chowderhead]

I like the Chris Rock proposal: tax bullets to cost $5000 each.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You've already come out in favor of taxing voting by making it more expensive for certain groups of people, and anyone can stand on a public sidewalk and scream for free, so what's the problem with having insurance on a gun that is literally an explosive object?

No i haven't. Link please? An "explosive object" ? Go back to school child.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

yeah but no 2Aers even acknowledge that line in the 2A. They don't even know what a "well regulated militia" is (hint: it's the National Guard)
It's sort of the like excuse of "Yeah, that's just a few bad apples"... you HAVE to say the next line. That's the punchline of the phrase!!!

Hint: It's all the people, (males if you want to be accurate) but why would you want to be accurate at this late date? You never have before.

 

[Bitek]

No. Terrible idea.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No i haven't. Link please? An "explosive object" ? Go back to school child.

Are you saying that bullets aren't propelled by explosives?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hint: It's all the people, (males if you want to be accurate) but why would you want to be accurate at this late date? You never have before.

Projection 101, step into this tunnel.

 

[brandonbull]

How are you gonna make people who drive illegally get insurance? Maybe you're right and car insurance is a total scam. Basically because people will commit crimes with anything they get their hands on, we should make no effort to tax or regulate anything.

Chiefs' Clark arrested; cops say Uzi spotted in car

Chiefs defensive end Frank Clark was arrested Sunday in Los Angeles on suspicion of having a concealed firearm in a vehicle, according to an LAPD spokesperson.

www.espn.com

Btw I saw this story on ESPN. Sure that guy planned to use his Uzi for self defense only. 2nd amendment!

So what are we taxing and regulating? Illegal violent activities by criminals?

 

[brandonbull]

Feel free to back that up with some facts.

Also, the number one and two killers with guys are suicides and accidents. Number three is domestic violence.

Oddly enough, gun crimes and ownership isn't tracked that well but a simple question to the googler and you shall have your answer. If you are questioning whether the majority of legal gun owners commit crimes with their firearms or not, you should stop and choose another approach to support gun control.

 

[MrSquished]

So what are we taxing and regulating? Illegal violent activities by criminals?

The vast majority of mass shootings are committed by those who own their guns legally:

Mass shootings in the U.S.: legality of weapons 2023 | Statista

100 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and December 2023 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority.

www.statista.com

Research is also tough on general crime because the US limits data on studying guns because of regressive lunatics like yourself and states have such varying laws, such as regressive red states having bullshit lax gun laws. But in this study, a larger portion of felons involved in gun crime got their guns not on the black market but:

About 48 percent of state prison inmates surveyed said they got the gun they used from a family member, friend, gun store, pawn shop, flea market, or gun show. Most states only require a background check if the purchase happens at a gun store, according to the Giffords Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Forty percent of state prison inmates admitted they obtained the gun illegally on the black market, from a drug dealer, or by stealing it.

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

U.S. Rep. John Faso says he opposes some gun-control measures because they target the wrong people. Laws that limit the

www.politifact.com

So - 48 percent of criminals surveyed did not get their guns illegally vs 40 percent that did. Seems gun insurance would make a pretty big difference.

But your GQP fantasy is a country with the most gun violence of any first world country by a mile, and doing absolutely nothing to change it. Basically you and your ilk, by supporting gun policy as is, have blood on your hands. Sickos.

 

[brandonbull]

Are you saying that bullets aren't propelled by explosives?

Isn't gunpowder not technically an explosive? It doesn't actually detonate. Is my gasoline car propelled by explosives?

 

[brandonbull]

The vast majority of mass shootings are committed by those who own their guns legally:

Mass shootings in the U.S.: legality of weapons 2023 | Statista

100 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and December 2023 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority.

www.statista.com

Research is also tough on general crime because the US limits data on studying guns because of regressive lunatics like yourself and states have such varying laws, such as regressive red states having bullshit lax gun laws. But in this study, a larger portion of felons involved in gun crime got their guns not on the black market but:

About 48 percent of state prison inmates surveyed said they got the gun they used from a family member, friend, gun store, pawn shop, flea market, or gun show. Most states only require a background check if the purchase happens at a gun store, according to the Giffords Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Forty percent of state prison inmates admitted they obtained the gun illegally on the black market, from a drug dealer, or by stealing it.

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

U.S. Rep. John Faso says he opposes some gun-control measures because they target the wrong people. Laws that limit the

www.politifact.com

So - 48 percent of criminals surveyed did not get their guns illegally vs 40 percent that did. Seems gun insurance would make a pretty big difference.

But your GQP fantasy is a country with the most gun violence of any first world country by a mile, and doing absolutely nothing to change it. Basically you and your ilk, by supporting gun policy as is, have blood on your hands. Sickos.

Read some more of that article where it states 65% illegally obtained and that's with sketchy data collection. How many of the mass shootings in Chicago where by legal gun owners? I'm sure gang members go through a background check.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Isn't gunpowder not technically an explosive? It doesn't actually detonate. Is my gasoline car propelled by explosives?

It isn't called internal combustion for no reason. And using another insured item maybe isn't the comparison you meant to make.

Gunpowder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe just use the internet for something other than being an idiot.

 

[MrSquished]

Read some more of that article where it states 65% illegally obtained and that's with sketchy data collection. How many of the mass shootings in Chicago where by legal gun owners? I'm sure gang members go through a background check.

I'm sure those guns just magically appear in their hands. They come from areas with piss poor gun laws. I read cops talking about how gun runners show up in Baltimore, from the south running them up 95, with guns just brand new in packaging to sell on the street.

If those buyers had to purchase gun insurance and those guns were trackable, you certainly wouldn't see nearly as many illegal guns in the hands of criminals. But those guns mostly started as legally bought in shithole states with totally lax gun laws, brought to areas with better gun laws, then sold illegally there. But they started as a legal transaction. They don't mostly fall off trucks.

You are responsible for a lot of the gun crime in America. Everyone of you GQP gun fetishists.

 

[Zorba]

Oddly enough, gun crimes and ownership isn't tracked that well but a simple question to the googler and you shall have your answer. If you are questioning whether the majority of legal gun owners commit crimes with their firearms or not, you should stop and choose another approach to support gun control.

Never said anything about the majority of legal gun owners. I said the majority of deaths aren't caused by illegal guns. He and now you have claimed otherwise back it up with something other than a meme.

Or do you honestly think the majority of suicides, accidents and domestic violence are caused by illegal guns?

 

[MrSquished]

Never said anything about the majority of legal gun owners. I said the majority of deaths aren't caused by illegal guns. He and now you have claimed otherwise back it up with something other than a meme.

Or do you honestly think the majority of suicides, accidents and domestic violence are caused by illegal guns?

Exactly. I'd wager the vast vast majority of gun crime in this country was perpetrated with guns that were legally purchased when they first got into circulation into society.

This is what they don't want to acknowledge. They'd rather be able to pretend guns just magically appear illegally in criminal's hands like magic. This way they can't let any sensible gun laws get enacted - like universal background checks, a reasonable insurance/tracking program - so you have to keep your guns secure and not just sell them willy nilly, etc... Take away the profit making and anonymity of the black market.

The gun manufacturers wouldn't make nearly enough money though like this - far less sales- so they and the NRA convinced a lot of small dicked mofos they need to have unfettered access to guns.

In fact, Mexican cartels get guns smuggled in from us. Data so far indicates the majority of guns used in crime in Mexico are from America. Because our gun laws in so many states are so lax. LIterally, the threat of gun violence in Mexico is party a direct result of lax gun laws in America:

"The U.S. Southwest Border Counternarcotics Strategy: 2020 identified the trafficking of firearms from the U.S. into Mexico as a threat to the safety and security of both countries. The Mexican government has estimated that 200,000 firearms are smuggled from the United States each year.

GAO was asked to report on U.S. efforts to counter firearms trafficking to Mexico. This report examines (1) the extent of U.S. agencies' knowledge about firearms trafficking to Mexico and (2) U.S. agencies' efforts to disrupt this trafficking and the extent to which they have assessed those efforts. GAO reviewed firearms tracing data, related analysis, and program information for fiscal years 2014 through 2020. GAO also interviewed U.S. and Mexican officials.

This is a public version of a sensitive report that GAO issued in December 2020."

Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Disrupt Gun Smuggling into Mexico Would Benefit from Additional Data and Analysis

Para la versión de esta página en español, ver a GAO-21-336. Gun smuggling over the U.S.-Mexican border helps the illegal drug trade and has links to...

www.gao.gov

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The guns start legal in regressive areas more than not, then become illegal, and then used to kill Americans in those areas and also the more evolved areas of the country, and Mexicans down south of America.