Intel 14 nm delayed.

[SiliconWars]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57...adwell-pc-chip-production-to-early-next-year/

The delay has been caused by a "defect density issue" that impacts the yields, or number of usable chips, Krzanich said.

Well I'm not surprised. Anyone else?

 

[liahos1]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57...adwell-pc-chip-production-to-early-next-year/



Well I'm not surprised. Anyone else?

one quarter delay. sucks for sure but production is still ramping at a time when TSMC is ramping on 20nm.

 

[Khato]

I was wondering when such would actually be mentioned.

 

[Phynaz]

That you would only tell half the story? No, not surprised at all considering your posting history.

"We have confidence the problem is fixed because we have data it is fixed," Krzanich said.

Does it suck for us consumers? Yep.
Is anyone else near 14nm production? Nope.
Does THAT suck for us consumers? Yep.

 

[SiliconWars]

They have data that it's fixed? How about some actual hard evidence. Like say, chips?

Deflect away Phynaz, I'm currently enjoying reading your (and others) previous denials of the subject on this very forum.

 

[blackened23]

Let's go back and look at what really happened:

- earlier this year, it was revealed that Broadwell would be early and enter production Q4 13.

- as it turns out, it is being delayed by 1 quarter with the issues fixed.

- volume production in Q1 14.

So it wasn't really "delayed" at all in this context.

 

[Phynaz]

They have data that it's fixed? How about some actual hard evidence. Like say, chips?

Deflect away Phynaz, I'm currently enjoying reading your (and others) previous denials of the subject on this very forum.

What do you think yield percentages are? That's data.
Defect density information is data.
Binning information is data.

Do you think the CEO of any company makes a manufacturing decision without data?
"Hey, look, somebody just handed me a chip, we're ready to go!"

It is nice of you to admit the enjoyment you get out of the forums though. For you it doesn't seem to be about technology enthusiasm, but it's about being "right" on the Internet.

 

[USER8000]

TBH,I think people on internet forums were as usual getting way too excited,thinking that Intel would replace Haswell in less than a year. It was the same in 2011 when people on the same forums were saying Ivy Bridge would replace Sandy Bridge within a year. Intel has never made such a move(or at least I cannot remember one in the last 5 years).

People on forums seems to set their own OTT expectations which set them up to be disappointed IMHO. Anyway,its not like your Haswell based laptop or desktop is suddenly slower,is it?

 

[SiliconWars]

What do you think yield percentages are? That's data.
Defect density information is data.
Binning information is data.

Do you think the CEO of any company makes a manufacturing decision without data?
"Hey, look, somebody just handed me a chip, we're ready to go!"

When something is fixed you don't say you have "data" that it's fixed. You say it's fixed, period.

 

[liahos1]

When something is fixed you don't say you have "data" that it's fixed. You say it's fixed, period.

he did say it was fixed.

 

[Phynaz]

he did say it was fixed.

Well apparently it's not fixed until the CEO has a pallet of CPU's in his office

 

[SiliconWars]

he did say it was fixed.

He didn't.

"We have confidence the problem is fixed because we have data it is fixed," Krzanich said

This is not fixed for sure. Aside from the obvious questions that need to be asked (ie, did he lie at previous CC's?), I do applaud him for eventually releasing the information - even if it was at the stage where it could no longer be hidden.

Now he's being as honest as he can be. It's not fixed - he believes it is fixed based on "data" but this is not a guaranteed fix.

If it's fixed he just comes out and says "it's fixed", period.

 

[dahorns]

He didn't.

This is not fixed for sure. Aside from the obvious questions that need to be asked (ie, did he lie at previous CC's?), I do applaud him for eventually releasing the information - even if it was at the stage where it could no longer be hidden.

Now he's being as honest as he can be. It's not fixed - he believes it is fixed based on "data" but this is not a guaranteed fix.

If it's fixed he just comes out and says "it's fixed", period.

You're just being obtuse. These type of manufacturing problems relate to repeated results. It really all comes down to statistical analysis. He said "the problem is fixed because we have data it is fixed". That is, their most recent production runs indicate that the yield problems are fixed.

At the end of the day things could change once they start pumping out units in full force, but that is the nature of the beast. You don't really know until it is done. You hope your data and the trends derived from it accurately predict reality.

 

[SiliconWars]

You could also look at it as, if they are still at the "data" stage they are a long way behind the norm. Up till this point I have simply quoted what Krzanich was quoted as saying.

Absolutely not being "obtuse" in other words, you lot are just in denial of what he actually said.

 

[SiliconWars]

Note I'm also not claiming it hasn't been fixed. It may well be (and tbh I personally believe it *probably* is), however that is not what he said. Be accurate.

 

[dahorns]

You could also look at it as, if they are still at the "data" stage they are a long way behind the norm. Up till this point I have simply quoted what Krzanich was quoted as saying.

Absolutely not being "obtuse" in other words, you lot are just in denial of what he actually said.

You understand that data, in this context (well in every context), means evidence right? He is simply saying that he has actual evidence to back up his claim that the problems are fixed. He isn't simply wishing them to be fixed.

 

[SiliconWars]

You understand that data, in this context (well in every context), means evidence right? He is simply saying that he has actual evidence to back up his claim that the problems are fixed. He isn't simply wishing them to be fixed.

Yes and he also has "confidence" that it's fixed. I wonder how much "confidence" the markets will have tomorrow.

 

[SiliconWars]

Random Analyst 1 - "Is the problem fixed?"

Krzanich - "We have confidence that it's fixed based on data that it's fixed".

Random Analyst 2 - "Is the problem fixed?"

Krzanich - "Yes, absolutely".

Which one of these statements would you be more willing to bet your house on?

 

[Phynaz]

What CEO would be stupid enough to state the later?

 

[roob]

They have data that it's fixed? How about some actual hard evidence. Like say, chips?

Deflect away Phynaz, I'm currently enjoying reading your (and others) previous denials of the subject on this very forum.

So the CEO announcing the delay due to yield issues you buy, no questions asked. But you draw the line at him saying it's been fixed.

Ignoring the fact that misleading investors would be a bit of a big deal, it says a lot about your personal feelings on the matter.

 

[SiliconWars]

What CEO would be stupid enough to state the later?

One that had "confidence" in what he was telling everybody else wasn't BS maybe?

It's either fixed or it isn't. Either they know or don't know. If they know there is no reason to hold the information back. You know what that leaves us with, right?

 

[Fjodor2001]

What CEO would be stupid enough to state the later?

Well any CEO that for sure knows that the problem actually is fixed perhaps?

You could also ask yourself what CEO would be stupid enough to state the prior and spread FUD about your own products even if you know for sure that the problem is actually fixed?

 

[roob]

One that had "confidence" in what he was telling everybody else wasn't BS maybe?

It's either fixed or it isn't. Either they know or don't know. If they know there is no reason to hold the information back. You know what that leaves us with, right?

Well, he never once said how confident he was about there being a problem in the first place. Maybe it's just part of a misunderstood joke.

 

[SiliconWars]

So the CEO announcing the delay due to yield issues you buy, no questions asked. But you draw the line at him saying it's been fixed.

Ignoring the fact that misleading investors would be a bit of a big deal, it says a lot about your personal feelings on the matter.

Yeah....I'm gonna cut you some slack as you're obviously very...new. I'll give you a small hint though - when the CEO of a company says something bad, it's bad. Always. When they attempt to mitigate the damage it's just expected of them. Based on his language it's crystal clear that he's waiting on actual confirmation, but you're free to believe otherwise.

 

[SiliconWars]

Well, he never once said how confident he was about there being a problem in the first place. Maybe it's just part of a misunderstood joke.

Could be, you should run this theory of yours past the rest of the forum. Start your own thread, I'll even help you out by posting in it.