Intel 14 nm delayed.

[Fjodor2001]

According to the article in the OP, Skylake release plans should not be affected by the Broadwell delay.

So what does this mean in terms of the expected lifetime for Broadwell? Will it only be 9 months or something from release of Broadwell until Skylake is released? That does not seem realistic to me.

 

[Pilum]

According to the article in the OP, Skylake release plans should not be affected by the Broadwell delay.

So what does this mean in terms of the expected lifetime for Broadwell? Will it only be 9 months or something from release of Broadwell until Skylake is released? That does not seem realistic to me.

You need to look at the historical timeline of Tick-Tock releases. Each tick or tock has taken an average of 13.8 months between Conroe and Haswell. If you extrapolate from that historical data, you get release dates of 2014-07 for Broadwell and 2015-09 for Skylake. If BRW is delayed to 2014-09 or 2014-10, that's still a 11-12-month product cycle until SKL hits. No problem there.

 

[Meghan54]

So, with all the "lies" and FUD Intel's CEO, et al, has spread about delays, have you contacted teh SEC, SiliconWars?

After all, you really seem to have your panties all in a twist, have called them liars and they should be reported to the SEC for fraud/whatever, so have you taken it upon yourself to do so, considering it seems to bother you so damned much? Or have any of your forum butties done so?

If not, get off your high horse. You've got nothing worth talking about if you're not willing to back up your "righteous indignation."

Talk about tilting at windmills.

 

[Arachnotronic]

According to the article in the OP, Skylake release plans should not be affected by the Broadwell delay.

So what does this mean in terms of the expected lifetime for Broadwell? Will it only be 9 months or something from release of Broadwell until Skylake is released? That does not seem realistic to me.

Broadwell isn't coming to LGA desktop anyway, so my guess is that the desktop gets Skylake first and maybe mobile Skylake comes a bit later than normal.

 

[mikk]

Exactly. For desktop Haswell refresh shouldn't be delayed so the Broadwell timeframe doesn't matter there.

 

[blackened23]

So, with all the "lies" and FUD Intel's CEO, et al, has spread about delays, have you contacted teh SEC, SiliconWars?

After all, you really seem to have your panties all in a twist, have called them liars and they should be reported to the SEC for fraud/whatever, so have you taken it upon yourself to do so, considering it seems to bother you so damned much? Or have any of your forum butties done so?

If not, get off your high horse. You've got nothing worth talking about if you're not willing to back up your "righteous indignation."

Talk about tilting at windmills.

I hate to be condescending (well...sometimes) but I'd have to agree. I mean, I have no issues with someone is a fan of AMD CPUs. If they like AMD budget cpu's, hey great, I have nothing bad to say. But the anti-intel shtick is so beyond old and annoying now, in post after post and thread after thread. Christ.

 

[SiliconWars]

You intel guys sure like to deflect don't you? You've got nothing, you go on personal attacks as an attempt to deflect the issue.

If this was an AMD delay you'd be all over it saying the exact opposite. Pathetic.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

You intel guys sure like to deflect don't you? You've got nothing, you go on personal attacks as an attempt to deflect the issue.

If this was an AMD delay you'd be all over it saying the exact opposite. Pathetic.

They don't seem to mind if you are (or are NOT) an AMD fan.

But most people want the truth to be discussed, not exaggerations, made-up-stuff, lies etc.

So it's fine to say there is a 1 quarter delay.
But it is NOT fine to say that the 1 quarter delay, will probably take 10 years or so to sort out, and Intel are lying and need to be sued.

EDIT: On reflection, it should also be fine to have an opinion that 1 quarter, is going to take longer than 3 months, otherwise this would be a poor forum.
But somehow the issue seems to be exaggerated too much.

 

[SiliconWars]

It's AT LEAST one quarter and if you've been paying attention they believed move in wouldn't happen until Q1 when it should have been Q3. That's 2 quarters going on what they believed 3 months ago.

 

[liahos1]

You intel guys sure like to deflect don't you? You've got nothing, you go on personal attacks as an attempt to deflect the issue.

If this was an AMD delay you'd be all over it saying the exact opposite. Pathetic.

fwiw i spoke with henninger last night and he said skylake, cherrytrail etc were all still on time. he said that broadwell devices are going to be 2h and that a 1q delay doesnt necc signify a full 1q delay for product on shelf. we'll see!

 

[dahorns]

It's AT LEAST one quarter and if you've been paying attention they believed move in wouldn't happen until Q1 when it should have been Q3. That's 2 quarters going on what they believed 3 months ago.

Who is "they"? Last I checked, this whole discussion about "move-in" not happening in Q3 and probably happening in Q1 only happened in your semiwiki article.

The only statements we've seen from Intel: Production on pace for Q4, later revised by quarter delay to Q1 14. That's it. Everything else is rumor mongering. Not that I have a problem with rumor mongering, but at least make it clear that is what you are doing.

 

[Fjodor2001]

You need to look at the historical timeline of Tick-Tock releases. Each tick or tock has taken an average of 13.8 months between Conroe and Haswell. If you extrapolate from that historical data, you get release dates of 2014-07 for Broadwell and 2015-09 for Skylake. If BRW is delayed to 2014-09 or 2014-10, that's still a 11-12-month product cycle until SKL hits. No problem there.

But Broadwell is expected to be released H2 2014 (or even up to Q1 2015 depending on what the delay is mentioned relative to) according to the latest info. So we could be looking at a product cycle of perhaps only 9 months or so for Broadwell until Skylake is released, which seems very short given that the latest product cycles for SB, IB and H will have been more like 15 months.

 

[Revolution 11]

You think Skylake won't be delayed?

 

[Fjodor2001]

I hate to be condescending (well...sometimes) but I'd have to agree. I mean, I have no issues with someone is a fan of AMD CPUs. If they like AMD budget cpu's, hey great, I have nothing bad to say. But the anti-intel shtick is so beyond old and annoying now, in post after post and thread after thread. Christ. It's like he was abused by intel as a child or something.

Please drop the flaming and personal attacks and stay on topic.

 

[Fjodor2001]

You think Skylake won't be delayed?

Quite the opposite based on the delays that have happened to all Intel mainstream CPU releases since and including SB. But according to the article in the OP the Intel CEO says Skylake is not affected by the Broadwell delay and is on schedule so far.

So if we believe that info, then it means Broadwell will have an unusually short lifetime.

 

[AtenRa]

Quite the opposite based on the delays that have happened to all Intel mainstream CPU releases sincce and including SB. But according to the article in the OP the Intel CEO says Skylake is not affected by the Broadwell delay and is on schedule so far.

So if we believe that info, then it means Broadwell will have an unusually short lifetime.

Ill give you a clue,

Desktop Skylake will not be late, but if Broadwell miss a Quarter, it will surely take with him Mobile Skylake

 

[Khato]

In order to be in the most competitive position possible Intel would have to be crazy to intentionally delay Skylake just to give Broadwell a 'normal' life cycle. Have to remember that these chips are primarily targeted towards the mobile market, especially tablets, and there the landscape looks quite different.

From a technical standpoint there's no reason why a Broadwell delay would affect Skylake unless they're still tweaking 14nm/have process issues that affect Skylake's initial tapeout.

 

[AtenRa]

In order to be in the most competitive position possible Intel would have to be crazy to intentionally delay Skylake just to give Broadwell a 'normal' life cycle. Have to remember that these chips are primarily targeted towards the mobile market, especially tablets, and there the landscape looks quite different.

From a technical standpoint there's no reason why a Broadwell delay would affect Skylake unless they're still tweaking 14nm/have process issues that affect Skylake's initial tapeout.

From a technical stantpoint maybe no, from a financial standpoit YES.

 

[bullzz]

@AtenRa - the delay is not caused by development team but by the fabs. if they hit an issue with skylake using fabs, they will give skylake mobile priority over desktops coz they make more money off it

 

[Khato]

From a technical stantpoint maybe no, from a financial standpoit YES.

Not necessarily. You're looking at it in the traditional markets.

When it's a choice between milking Broadwell for a few more months on the current design wins and letting the competition take the next round of designs with their latest and greatest or release Skylake as soon as possible in order to win the next round even though they'll replace Broadwell... Why exactly would you delay Skylake if you're losing the Broadwell sales regardless?

I'd tend to say that it doesn't really matter when Skylake is released to the 'traditional' markets - OEMs there are quite happy to continue selling old inventory alongside the new as evidenced by the number of Ivybridge machines still available from all the big names over a quarter after Haswell launch.

 

[AtenRa]

Not necessarily. You're looking at it in the traditional markets.

When it's a choice between milking Broadwell for a few more months on the current design wins and letting the competition take the next round of designs with their latest and greatest or release Skylake as soon as possible in order to win the next round even though they'll replace Broadwell... Why exactly would you delay Skylake if you're losing the Broadwell sales regardless?

I'd tend to say that it doesn't really matter when Skylake is released to the 'traditional' markets - OEMs there are quite happy to continue selling old inventory alongside the new as evidenced by the number of Ivybridge machines still available from all the big names over a quarter after Haswell launch.

And that competition is AMD with what product ???
Even if Kaveri is that much faster than the competition, AMD simple cannot sell more to take a huge piece of the pie from Intel to make them worry.
I dont see why Intel will have to introduce Skylake after producing Broadwell for only 9 months. Dont forget they will spend Billions for the 14nm process + Braodwell/Skylake design, masks etc and they will have to make a ROI within a given time. I very much doubt they will even keep Bradwell less than 5 Quarters before they will introduce Skylake.

 

[Abwx]

fwiw i spoke with henninger last night and he said skylake, cherrytrail etc were all still on time. he said that broadwell devices are going to be 2h and that a 1q delay doesnt necc signify a full 1q delay for product on shelf. we'll see!

Could he tell otherwise to someone else than his superiors.??.

 

[blackened23]

Please drop the flaming and personal attacks and stay on topic.

I didn't flame anyone nor was I disrespectful. I don't give a eff if someone likes AMD CPUs, that's good for them, I don't make stupid threads all day long about how I hate AMD. I would love for AMD to be more competitive on the CPU front and I still like their GPUs. That said, at some point, though, the nonstop FUD and half truth threads day in and day out get tiring, period, that was my point. Seeing 100 posts in a matter of hours following this (anti intel) template gets annoying. That's all i'll say on the matter.

 

[SiliconWars]

If you're tired you could always take a break from the forum blackened, that way everybody wins.

Oh btw, "It's like he got abused as a child by Intel" is certainly disrespectful but if you don't see it that way it says a lot about what's wrong with your attitude.


You need to knock off the insults, and the trolling. This is an Intel thread.
Markfw900
Anandtech moderator.

 

[Khato]

And that competition is AMD with what product ???

That competition is Qualcomm, Samsung, NVIDIA... When you're talking the high-end tablet/crossover market they're who Intel is targeting with Broadwell/Skylake as every indication is that they want Core to scale down into that slot while Atom fills in the rest.

It's not just about the traditional markets as they are happy to stay on the previous generation for awhile anyway.