Intel 20gb Larson Creek SSD

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Hacp

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So how would this be different from turbo-cache? It might actually write as well as read. It might also do more than just your most used files. It might do all files a certain size. Then move on to your most used files. So you can cache all files automatically that are, lets say, 1mb or lower. It all depends on how intel implements it, but if its at the chipset level, intel can definitely do it correctly.
 

ksec

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So how would this be different from turbo-cache? It might actually write as well as read. It might also do more than just your most used files. It might do all files a certain size. Then move on to your most used files. So you can cache all files automatically that are, lets say, 1mb or lower. It all depends on how intel implements it, but if its at the chipset level, intel can definitely do it correctly.

It would just be a much larger Turbo Cache. Lenovo actually have a similar technology called Rapid Drive. With a 20GB SSD and 500GB HDD you actually see it as 520GB Drive. It will Auto move your most frequently used files to the SSD for caching.

Of coz we will have to wait and see how well is Intel implementation...
 

Emulex

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Well the G3 was supposed to be released in february so i guess that they might be running behind a bit. never mind tsunami etc.
 

bulanula

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Well the G3 was supposed to be released in february so i guess that they might be running behind a bit. never mind tsunami etc.

They will release it close to the Z68 chipset launch, surely.
So, according to Google that will be around the beginning of May at the latest.

BUT will this larsen creek 20gb slc drive be based off the controller that supports AES 128 ?
If not then it will be useless for me.

Emulex, what G3 ? Wasn't the 320 series the so called "g3" ???
 

Voo

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It would just be a much larger Turbo Cache. Lenovo actually have a similar technology called Rapid Drive. With a 20GB SSD and 500GB HDD you actually see it as 520GB Drive. It will Auto move your most frequently used files to the SSD for caching.

Of coz we will have to wait and see how well is Intel implementation...
Although it's mostly semantics, what you're describing is NOT caching. A cache contains only duplicates of some original data (although possibly an updated newer version if write back) while what you describe just shuffles data around ie the data isn't backed up on the HDD anywhere.

I'd wager Intel implements a real cache, because that's much easier to handle and "loosing" 20gb of storage isn't especially noteworthy.
 

beginner99

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Do you know what someone else wants to have loaded fast? Does that person? Can you accept the fact that not everyone may be knowledgeable enough to make this kind of determination on their own?

Anyone knowing what an ssd is probably is knowledgeable enough to know what he wants/needs to run fast.
I agree that if it would be for the masses (which it won't, price...) just making IO faster without user having to do anything would be good but then these users don't care much anyway. I sometimes wonder how some people can even consider working on their pc/laptop.
 

bulanula

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I don't even care about this stupid cache feature. I just hope that it can be used as just a 20GB SLC SSD without any fancy drivers needed. Just get 60GB SSD for your OS and you are sorted. This whole idea will be as fail as Intel Robson.
 

Voo

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Anyone knowing what an ssd is probably is knowledgeable enough to know what he wants/needs to run fast.
Yet you still didn't answer my question about which files of a 15gb Win7 install are accessed often enough for them to be on a SSD. So now we've established that you're just as unknowledgeable as the rest of us, but really it's completely impossible to know that.

The caching works on individual files (well it could also work on blocks or something but files is a good assumption) while You knowing what you want on your SSD works obviously only on complete applications. And as we all know quite a large part of larger applications is needed only extremely rarely but may be quite large. That is especially true for your OS install which makes that such a great example..
 

Zap

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Anyone knowing what an ssd is probably is knowledgeable enough to know what he wants/needs to run fast.
I agree that if it would be for the masses (which it won't, price...) just making IO faster without user having to do anything would be good but then these users don't care much anyway. I sometimes wonder how some people can even consider working on their pc/laptop.

Just because someone isn't knowledgeable about the inner workings of a computer doesn't mean they wouldn't are about their computer being fast or wouldn't buy a faster computer. Indeed a common complaint with the less technically inclined is how slow their computers are.

What you say just doesn't make sense to me. Does this mean that people who don't know how a modern car engine works would never buy a fast car?
 

imaheadcase

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Why are you guys touting 15gigs for win7 installs. If you slipstream win7 cd its less than 5gigs..
 

ksec

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Although it's mostly semantics, what you're describing is NOT caching. A cache contains only duplicates of some original data (although possibly an updated newer version if write back) while what you describe just shuffles data around ie the data isn't backed up on the HDD anywhere.

I'd wager Intel implements a real cache, because that's much easier to handle and "loosing" 20gb of storage isn't especially noteworthy.

Sorry i wasn't detail enough, the Rapid Drive actually have three options, and allows you to set it as cache, combined, or i cant remember what else...
 

ksec

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The reason why Turbo Cache ( Robson ) failed, was simply because its timing was not right. Cost, Software... etc.....
 

Voo

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Why are you guys touting 15gigs for win7 installs. If you slipstream win7 cd its less than 5gigs..
Yeah and that was TOTALLY the point of the argument, but I understand, some people just must nitpick something even if it has nothing to do with the discussion going on.

@ksec: Ah ok, interesting that they offered different settings, but yeah I also can't think of any sensible third option there (apart from "Don't use" ^^)
 

bulanula

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Does anyone think that there is a chance that this Larsen creek thing will support AES and be based off the intel 320 series controller ??
 

ksec

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Does anyone think that there is a chance that this Larsen creek thing will support AES and be based off the intel 320 series controller ??

The controller are definitely the same. Just up to firmware.
 

Hacp

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It would just be a much larger Turbo Cache. Lenovo actually have a similar technology called Rapid Drive. With a 20GB SSD and 500GB HDD you actually see it as 520GB Drive. It will Auto move your most frequently used files to the SSD for caching.

Of coz we will have to wait and see how well is Intel implementation...

It all depends on whether lenovo's solution can see the file table or not. I think Intel's solution has access to the file table, which would make a huge difference.
 

bulanula

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It all depends on whether lenovo's solution can see the file table or not. I think Intel's solution has access to the file table, which would make a huge difference.

Yes but I think it will cost a lot more as well because it is SLC and Intel is expensive brand.
 

DirkGently1

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This whole thing strikes me as an inelegant bodge-job. Perhaps if it had been better executed...idk. Do you guys think this would benefit OEMs more than the home enthusiast? I could see a company like Dell having this as an option for buyers, but neither me nor any of my friends would touch it with a long stick!
 

Mark R

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yeah


rethinking, I hve a 96gb sd, I have no use for this

this feature belongs on mid to low end.....high end stuff, ssd boot drive shld be pushed as the norm

SSD as boot drive isn't ideal. In many cases, boot time is largely irrelevant - as you boot up once during the day (or less frequently). Similarly, much of the OS is used infrequently, so it's inefficient having the OS on expensive SSD storage. Especially, as if you have a sensible amount of RAM, the core OS components load at startup and never need to load again.

Far better to put important data/app/frequently used OS files on an SSD and everything else on slower storage. So far, there isn't a satisfactory method for end users to do that - except by using a hybrid HDD.

The Z68 solution, if correctly implemented, looks like it will do exactly that - but with a much larger cache, and the ability to cache much larger drives.
 
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