Intel 3.06GHz CPU with Hyper-Threading review

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mrman3k

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I would definetly have to say that people are getting way too excited over HT. Yes it is a very neat technology which will in due time actually have real benefits. Second is that it doesn't really give much of a real world performance increase. And when some guy says you can run Comanche 4 and Music Match at the same time, what I want to ask you is what the heck are you doing? I don't know about you, but why would you run two different programs like those at the same time under normal use? Now I do think that once programs take advantage of HT, it will provide tangible benefits, but 3-5fps is not a real difference in my books.

But still, if anyone would like to, could you please mail me a 3.06 P4 with a nice GB mobo!
 

Jeff7181

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Bottom line is a 3 Ghz CPU with this magical Hyper-Threading is in general, equal to a 2.25 Ghz CPU. Until operating systems and programs themselves are DESIGNED to take advantage of Hyper-Threading, I don't see anything to get your palms all sweaty over.
 

DynaOne

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Have always been a big proponent of dual procecessors - for one reason. When running a big job (hours) you can still do Outlook/Word/Excel without big gags and sluggishness. If HT can do only this (and I don't know) it would be a big win.
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Originally posted by: MajinVegeta
Jeff, granted the 2800+ will be cheaper when it comes out, or should I say "IF the TBred B version of the 2800+ comes out?"

The 2800 is in stock at newegg and maybe a couple other places. See:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=910759
or
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=910759

Granted, still expensive, but close to the P4 2.8 in price, and it's bound to get cheaper once it's in greater availability.
 

SSXeon5

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Originally posted by: mrman3k
I would definetly have to say that people are getting way too excited over HT. Yes it is a very neat technology which will in due time actually have real benefits. Second is that it doesn't really give much of a real world performance increase. And when some guy says you can run Comanche 4 and Music Match at the same time, what I want to ask you is what the heck are you doing? I don't know about you, but why would you run two different programs like those at the same time under normal use? Now I do think that once programs take advantage of HT, it will provide tangible benefits, but 3-5fps is not a real difference in my books.

But still, if anyone would like to, could you please mail me a 3.06 P4 with a nice GB mobo!

What!!!! Real benefits?

+360 3dmarks with HT
10-25% increased performance in Photoshop
Great! Multitasking performance boost
0-17% increased performance in 3Dstudio Max

Also many games support it in the near future.

And when some guy says you can run Comanche 4 and Music Match at the same time, what I want to ask you is what the heck are you doing?

You havent burned/ripped a cd and get frustrated and play a game (I have ) Im super lazy and ask anyone with dual Cpus, multitasking rules!!!! But I will agree its not a freaken 200% boost in performance but man if its a little faster and new benifits I give intel props for making the P4 core faster and faster per clock then the Willy

Originally posted by: TwilightZone77

The 2800 is in stock at newegg and maybe a couple other places. See:
<a href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=910759">http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=910759</A>
or
<a href="http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=910759">http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=910759</A>

Granted, still expensive, but close to the P4 2.8 in price, and it's bound to get cheaper once it's in greater availability.

Hmm $410 for OEM .... add a $30 cooler and thats $440 for a cool chip, still $50 more for it then the 2.8GHz P4 in that context, just really dont see that being justice, when $40-50 to you amd owners is alot What AMD owner will dish out $410+ for this chip? Isnt that like intels "high pricing"

SSXeon
 

rIpTOr

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Heh compare AMD's "flagship" to Intel's "flagship" then Xeon Yes that IS $300 different.
 

mechBgon

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It would be interesting to see how the 3.06GHz P4 test system did against a 2700+ that was using an 18Gb Seagate Cheetah X15-36LP (or heaven help us, a 15K.3! :Q) and an Adaptec 19160 host adapter. Since the price difference between the CPUs would pay for the hard drive and adapter, and the 15000rpm drives are significantly higher in performance than the best IDE drives, that would be an interesting dollar-for-dollar scenario. 3.9ms seek time... mmmm...

Note that I'm not even taking the typical WD Special Edition drive out of the picture... it would remain as a bulk-storage drive, if the owner needs lots of storage. Or it could be replaced with a mid-sized second SCSI drive such as a 36Gb 10000rpm Cheetah 10K.6. The Cheetah and 19160 are paid for by the difference in CPU prices alone.

At work, I use an X15-36LP in my workstation, and it's hard to faze... I can have two systems installing Office2000 across the network from my system, the daily virus scan checking every file on the drive at the same time, and it is still at least as responsive as our similar IDE-equipped workstations are when they're idle. I don't think I'm coming back from the SCSI side anytime soon... Maybe I'll pick up a Maxtor Maxline II Plus for bulk storage of system images or something.

edit: I guess what I'm implying is that there's more to system performance than just how fast the CPU is. Just my 2c worth.
 

MadTom

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Well, check out the new THG video which can be downloaded here and here. Maybe this will show the "real" difference...

At the moment HT is good for office kind dual operations, but for gaming not yet, but I'm sure it will be good for gaming, too. However, isn't history repeating itself - whenever a new technology comes everybody says it's crap, but over time you can't live without it (P4 was introduced - to expensive, too slow - OK RAMBUS seems to be dying; and so on)

I think it's great to code a movie in DivX and watch at the sime time another one. Hmm, I can do this now, too...
 

mrman3k

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Look, in reality, do most people play games and burn CDs at the same time. No, that is what I thought. As for multitasking, the most multitasking that most users do is to at most have Winamp playing, Have a webbroswer or two open, have MS Word open, and be doing something in Photoshop. Now the only demanding application open is Photoshop. The others hardly take any processing power as even my old 800MHz system can do that. So I still think HT needs to be optimized to actually give real benefits and/or get software developers to program to take advantage of HT.
 

Duvie

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I regularly have Autocadd 2002 open and working with the TV tuner on downloading a file of the internet....Throw in the ability to be encoding some divx at the same time and I say that is real world performance that I could do now....

Too many gamers in this site, and that is all they think about.....

How about When I am video editing then encoding a clip from it and still have something running in the back be it a download, music playing, rendering a audtocadd scene...the possibilities for use is definitely ther for me, a non gamer!!!
 

SSXeon5

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I hate fan boys

Wow you look intelligent right now
Way to respond with a useless post, and BTW the XBox is a POS

Originally posted by: Duvie
I regularly have Autocadd 2002 open and working with the TV tuner on downloading a file of the internet....Throw in the ability to be encoding some divx at the same time and I say that is real world performance that I could do now....

Too many gamers in this site, and that is all they think about.....

How about When I am video editing then encoding a clip from it and still have something running in the back be it a download, music playing, rendering a audtocadd scene...the possibilities for use is definitely ther for me, a non gamer!!!

I do too, i love autocadd and with other things open HT (just like dualies) will benifite with fast performance in multitasking. And only needing one chip to do this is a dream come true. People just dont really consider new technology as a good thing, unless it does 200% better
Look at how badly the R9700 raped the Ti4600 and still not many people thought it was good enough, "atis drivers are crap" "i dont use AA/AF" ect. (Too bad my Radeon 32mb and Radeon 8500 64mb has not ever had problems and if it did, a new driver always fixed it within a few mins )

SSXeon
 

bolsen

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Look, in reality, do most people play games and burn CDs at the same time. No, that is what I thought.

The reason people don't do this is because the resources aren't there. (Single CPU)

People need to forget about what it's going to do for you today, and think about tommorow. If I could burn a CD and play a game at the same time, I would. I personally am tired of having to wait for things. Couple seconds here, couple seconds there. It all adds up. And in the end, I want more power.

Good job Intel for raising the bar, once again.

We also need to remember that the more technology advances, the better it is for all of us. For this reason alone, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be excited about this.

edit: I guess what I'm implying is that there's more to system performance than just how fast the CPU is. Just my 2c worth.

I VERY MUCH agree with you. Your computer is only as fast as your slowest piece.
 

jiffylube1024

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Ok I think a lot of people are either missing the point, or just not getting the promise that HT offers. I'm hearing a lot of opinions on how for the "average user" it offers little to no benefit, how most users are fine with a <1GHz processor, etc. While some of this is true (especially the hardware demands of most users), there are a lot of practical benefits of hyperthreading. First of all, with two separate units, you should be able to prevent most stalls (such as accessing a bad CD, accessing a floppy disk, lagged web pages) since one pipeline stalls waiting for the data while the other is free to continue to access your hard drive, browse more web pages, etc.

Also, burning a CD at high-speeds while doing other processes should be more reliable. Even with burn-proof, sometimes a web page or whatever lags so bad your computer is frozen until you ctrl-alt-del that program, and sometimes it requires a reboot or just closes all of your open applications instead. This should occur much less frequently (if I understand the technology correctly).

Plus, I hope I'm not the only one here who likes to have a pile of internet explorer pages open (usually 5-15), plus an mp3 program, plus possibly a video program if I'm downloading clips, plus maybe even a DVD player if I'm using tv-out, the ubiquitous virus scanning program, etc. Not to mention, I clear 99% of programs out of my startup items so I boot quickly, with few resources used, whereas most novice users eventually have 10+ programs in their clock tray alone that they forget are running in the background and sometimes cause stalls and lag. Let alone the number of applications Windows XP has running at all times. As you can see, the number of programs we have running is deceptively large! If you stop to consider it, this technology is very promising!

Well, that's what I get out of it, I might be wrong. However, once this becomes affordable (starting it at 3.06 GHz, give me a break!), I'll be quick to adopt!

Edit: misspelled "tray" as if I'm shooting 3-pointers!
 

lookin4dlz

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Yes, I agree that most of the first posters in this thread were mis-interpreting the capabilities. With the advent of HT, it's just no good to use single-app benchmarks to compare a non-HT P4 with a P4HT. In the real world: I play Civ3 on a huge map and when the other 15 civ's are taking their turns I have 4-5 web browser windows open, I'm usually listening to a cd in my CD-ROM drive or on my hard drive so I have WMP open, I'm downloading files (for some reason, edonkey seems to use a lot of system resources), burning files in one or two of my other CD-RW drives so Nero is open, have Outlook running, have Dragon Nat Speak open, etc.

I NEED HT!

However, I don't want a dual proc system because the boards cost more, they have fewer options and the generate more heat. I'm unsure as to how well they overclock.

Right now, I'm in a single processor system with an 845PE. When the 3.06GHz P4HT gets below $200, I'll plop it in and overclock it to 4GHz. With HT, that will keep me going for a year or more longer w/o a major system upgrade.
 
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