Intel 64 bit processor?

[KillaKilla]

Can't find any info on intel's development of a 64-bit CPU... what gives? Is there any info out there, or is it completely under raps? perhaps even a prospective release date? Any info is appretiated...

This is in no way a jab/slam/insult against AMD. I realize that they have had a 64 bit CPU out for a while.

 

[chizow]

Heheh well, there's the Itanium, but I don't think its what you're looking for for normal desktop usage. Plus, I think the going rate on an Itanium is a kidney...kidneys are good.

Chiz

 

[DivideBYZero]

Do a google on 'Yamhill'

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Do a google on 'Yamhill'

He's looking for a CPU, not pile of dinner meats . Just kidding, of course!

 

[Swanny]

Intel has not said much officially about 64-bit desktop. One of their next CPUs (Prescott or it's sucessor) will have "64-bit extensions", whatever that means.


There is speculation on the "Yamhill" processor, but that may not even exist. Check the Inquirer for lots of gossip about Yamhill.

 

[goke04]

there was an article with some speculation about this over on overclockers.com. it was front page news over there today, heres a link for you Overclockers

 

[edmundoab]

afterall INTEL did mention that there is no need for a 64-bit processor right now

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Doesnt anyone find it funny Intel downplays 64 bit while making a 64 bit processor?

Itanic is a beautiful processor but doesnt have an upgrade path. Like switching to an Apple PC from Windows. We have a guy here who was testing one and after installing the OS he shrugged his sholders and said well now what do I do with it? There is no software for Itanic compared to what Opteron provides for existing and future applications.

 

[Jeff7181]

I've seen rumors that the Prescott has been delayed till the 2nd half of next year, which is not good. That puts no pressure on AMD to ramp clock speeds of the Athlon-64 (in either of the 2 flavors). Maybe they'll find a way to extend the P4EE to 3.4 or 3.6 Ghz... but for every 200 Mhz increase from Intel, AMD only needs about a 100 mhz increase to keep pace =)

If it's true that the Prescott is delayed until the 2nd half of next year, maybe it's because they're crapping their pants trying to make it x86-64 compatable.

I think Intel missed the boat... or didn't even realize there was a boat. AMD has set the standard for this mix of 32 and 64 bit computing, and Microsoft won't support another 64 bit technology, so Intel is forced to follow suit... just like AMD was pretty much forced to include SSE and now SSEII.

*EDIT* I'm wondering what Intel has to say about them making a 64 bit CPU... I expect it will be something like... "We still don't see a need for 64 bit computing in the home, but we listen to our customers and what the market demands, and the market demands 64 bit computing, so we will meet the needs of our customers."

 

[Ticktanium2038]

Dont think AMD is slowing down over the next year. They cant afford to give any slack this time its do or die.

As I said somewhere in the forum: AMD looks to be launching the 3600/3700 before X-mas. Putting themselves 2 steps ahead of Intel.

AMD needs to ramp up speeds quickly to be taken seriously by investing firms. And by moving faster than Intel they are showing they can be a leader and are ready to do so. The 4000+ will be available the 1Q of 2004.

AMD has a chance to become the leader. Every Opteron sold brings AMD one step closer to making money, improving investor relations and one chip ahead of Intel.

You have to use the word ahead because Opteron is a 64 bit cpu not an outdated 32 bit one which has no future after 2Q04 when the 64 bit revolution begins to really take off.

AMD is already the 64 bit leader because they have sold more Opterons than Intel and Apple. Investors are starting to realize this is only the beginning.

AMD may only have 20% of the total cpu market.

BUT AMD IS NEARLY 100% of the 64 BIT MARKET AND HAS NO COMPETITION UNTIL 2005. Thats a lot of market share.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Dont think AMD is slowing down over the next year. They cant afford to give any slack this time its do or die.

As I said somewhere in the forum: AMD looks to be launching the 3600/3700 before X-mas. Putting themselves 2 steps ahead of Intel.

AMD needs to ramp up speeds quickly to be taken seriously by investing firms. And by moving faster than Intel they are showing they can be a leader and are ready to do so. The 4000+ will be available the 1Q of 2004.

AMD has a chance to become the leader. Every Opteron sold brings AMD one step closer to making money, improving investor relations and one chip ahead of Intel.

You have to use the word ahead because Opteron is a 64 bit cpu not an outdated 32 bit one which has no future after 2Q04 when the 64 bit revolution begins to really take off.

AMD is already the 64 bit leader because they have sold more Opterons than Intel and Apple. Investors are starting to realize this is only the beginning.

AMD may only have 20% of the total cpu market.

BUT AMD IS NEARLY 100% of the 64 BIT MARKET AND HAS NO COMPETITION UNTIL 2005. Thats a lot of market share.

Make my words, there will be no 4000+ by january. Yields are far too low.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
Dont think AMD is slowing down over the next year. They cant afford to give any slack this time its do or die.

As I said somewhere in the forum: AMD looks to be launching the 3600/3700 before X-mas. Putting themselves 2 steps ahead of Intel.

AMD needs to ramp up speeds quickly to be taken seriously by investing firms. And by moving faster than Intel they are showing they can be a leader and are ready to do so. The 4000+ will be available the 1Q of 2004.

AMD has a chance to become the leader. Every Opteron sold brings AMD one step closer to making money, improving investor relations and one chip ahead of Intel.

You have to use the word ahead because Opteron is a 64 bit cpu not an outdated 32 bit one which has no future after 2Q04 when the 64 bit revolution begins to really take off.

AMD is already the 64 bit leader because they have sold more Opterons than Intel and Apple. Investors are starting to realize this is only the beginning.

AMD may only have 20% of the total cpu market.

BUT AMD IS NEARLY 100% of the 64 BIT MARKET AND HAS NO COMPETITION UNTIL 2005. Thats a lot of market share.

Make my words, there will be no 4000+ by january. Yields are far too low.

You mean mark your words?

 

[Ticktanium2038]

I said First quarter. YES THERE WILL BE AN OPTERON 4000+. Its on thier roadmap. Try Google if you cant find it.

 

[Jeff7181]

Since when did AMD start carving their roadmaps in stone? =) Not to say you're wrong... just saying don't be so sure... it's a ways off still.

 

[chizow]

I agree that AMD needs to continue to push their 64-bit line up, but honestly, the biggest bottleneck on their 64-bit cpus isn't on their end, its coming from Microsoft. Once a 64-bit version of Windows is released....that's when you'll see a massive increase in demand for 64-bit AMD chips....lack of 64-bit software won't make a difference as the M$ name will give AMD's decision to go 64-bit all the credibility it needs.

Chiz

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: chizow
I agree that AMD needs to continue to push their 64-bit line up, but honestly, the biggest bottleneck on their 64-bit cpus isn't on their end, its coming from Microsoft. Once a 64-bit version of Windows is released....that's when you'll see a massive increase in demand for 64-bit AMD chips....lack of 64-bit software won't make a difference as the M$ name will give AMD's decision to go 64-bit all the credibility it needs.

Chiz

True... there are probably tens of thousands of businesses out there who would benefit greatly from a 64-bit OS that's capable of running all their 32 bits apps, AND allow the program to use twice as much memory as before. I wouldn't be surprised to see places buying a regular Athlon-64 for use in a server JUST to get the advantage of more available memory per process without paying the hefty price tag for an Opteron.

*EDIT* The biggest hurdle now is Microsoft themselves... can they deliver a product that seamlessly runs 64-bit and 32-bit applications? Can drivers easily be converted to 64-bit? People have said AMD put all their eggs in one basket with the Athlon-64... I say they put half their egg's in Microsoft's basket.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ticktanium2038
I said First quarter. YES THERE WILL BE AN OPTERON 4000+. Its on thier roadmap. Try Google if you cant find it.

yeah AMD is always on time with their roadmaps, after all the Opertron was only what? 15 months late?

 

[Viditor]

"I've seen rumors that the Prescott has been delayed till the 2nd half of next year"

I think you mean 2nd Quarter, not 2nd half...

"Maybe they'll find a way to extend the P4EE to 3.4 or 3.6 Ghz"

Possibly, but these are modified Xeon processors, which means that at best they're selling them at cost... (that's why they're soooo expensive!)

"maybe it's because they're crapping their pants trying to make it x86-64 compatable"

Not possible...at best, the Tejas (due in 2005) will be x86-64...

"I'm wondering what Intel has to say about them making a 64 bit CPU"

In the Wall Street Journal ~2 weeks ago, they stated that it won't happen (for the desktop) until 2005-6

"AMD needs to ramp up speeds quickly to be taken seriously by investing firms"

I think more important is Opteron's acceptance (business is the largest buyer of computers). On that note, Cray just announced a new line of Supercomputers based on the Sandia Labs system (Red Storm) Cray forecasts Red Storm for masses using Opterons (about 10k+ of them per computer!

"there are probably tens of thousands of businesses out there who would benefit greatly from a 64-bit OS that's capable of running all their 32 bits apps"

Actually, the pressure is equally on M$...Linux already does all of this, and it's gaining marketshare every day...

 

[Jeff7181]

"there are probably tens of thousands of businesses out there who would benefit greatly from a 64-bit OS that's capable of running all their 32 bits apps"

Actually, the pressure is equally on M$...Linux already does all of this, and it's gaining marketshare every day...

If they're using Windows right now, then Linux won't run all their 32 bit apps.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: chizow
Heheh well, there's the Itanium, but I don't think its what you're looking for for normal desktop usage. Plus, I think the going rate on an Itanium is a kidney...kidneys are good.

Chiz

LV Itanium II 1Ghz/1.5MB Cache costs $700, about the retail price of a FX51 and above that of a 3.2C.

 

[boardsportsrule]

man the prescott is a POS it overheats and will have "64 bit extensions" EG they want to sounds good, since amd's 64 was kickass... i think that AMD's gonne pull ahead for a while until intel releases a newer better cpu, P4 EE was a scam to try and sway ppl from A-64's they cost WAYYYYY to much sent em to reviewers to compare W/ A64....pitiful...