Intel Amber Lake

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I'm surprised at why you are surprised.

It's the same architecture, and Geekbench tests take a few seconds to run so quite bursty. Max clock speeds are same between the two. The saying that most Intel chips don't run at Base is exaggerated when looking at their Y chips - it almost never runs at base. The 1.4 vs 1.6GHz doesn't matter.

Amberlake doesn't even use updated 14nm process either, its same as Kabylake.



I don't think the i5-8210Y will be better than the i7-7Y75 in anything.
The real surprise is that Apple had to resort to a custom SKU instead of using something like the 8500Y with significantly higher Turbo performance at 4.2 GHz. Even the 8200Y is better spec’d for CPU at 3.9 GHz although not as good for GPU.

Is Intel still having yield issues?
 

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The real surprise is that Apple had to resort to a custom SKU instead of using something like the 8500Y with significantly higher Turbo performance at 4.2 GHz. Even the 8200Y is better spec’d for CPU at 3.9 GHz although not as good for GPU.

Is Intel still having yield issues?
Yield issues? I don’t remember any recent 14nm yield issues, perhaps you mean capacity?
 
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The real surprise is that Apple had to resort to a custom SKU instead of using something like the 8500Y with significantly higher Turbo performance at 4.2 GHz. Even the 8200Y is better spec’d for CPU at 3.9 GHz although not as good for GPU.

There's a possibility that this is some sort of segmentation. Single threaded performance between 8500Y and 8559U will be rather close.
 

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Yield issues? I don’t remember any recent 14nm yield issues, perhaps you mean capacity?
It's yield issues, they need to figure out how to yield more than one chip from the same silicon area.

On a more serious note, taking a look at the benches above made me realize just how much the ultra low power chips needed that new node to be ready already.
 

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On a more serious note, taking a look at the benches above made me realize just how much the ultra low power chips needed that new node to be ready already.
Yeah, this fan aided i5-8210Y is performing about as expected, which is to say it is underwhelming.
 
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It turns out Apple appears to have commissioned not just one, but TWO custom Amber Lake chips.

i7-8510Y: 4249 single-core, 8553 multi-core.

Base clock speed 1.8 GHz.
Turbo clock speed unknown. However, the score is about 8% faster than the i5-8210Y, so it would stand to reason it is likely 3.9 GHz single-core. Not sure about multi-core.

How do we know it's not a fake? Well, Geekbench's developer said nothing in the specs and description is indicating it is fake.
 
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It turns out Apple appears to have commissioned not just one, but TWO custom Amber Lake chips.

i7-8510Y: 4249 single-core, 8553 multi-core.

It's strange how its not faster in ST. It seems though if you organize results by top ST performance, the MT isn't at top, but works the other way if you organize it by MT performance.
 

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It's strange how its not faster in ST. It seems though if you organize results by top ST performance, the MT isn't at top, but works the other way if you organize it by MT performance.
The multi-core to single core ratios in Geekbench 4 for the Y MacBooks range from about 1.8:1 to about 2.1:1, and usually is around 1.9:1.

This one result is 2:1 so not too far out of line.
 

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An Intel marketing presentation does not show the support for the 300-series CNL PCH on Amberlake, while its present on Whiskey Lake. So Amberlake is basically a rebrand of Kabylake-Y with higher clocks. A further read confirms this. For the -Y it only shows Wireless-AC 9260 support, which doesn't have CNVi. -Y doesn't have USB 3.1 support stated either.

chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...-briefs/8th-gen-core-u-and-y-series-brief.pdf

On a site note: Whiskeylake has no imaging DSP according to that document.
 
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