Intel and Conroe are no match for what AMD has planned!

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: thestain
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2642

When you combine this tech news with the AM2 platform and double sockets, what AMD is doing is making a lot more sense! Who knows, maybe video cards and their heat and noise will be a thing of the past as will Ageia PhysX cards and.. it makes Intel's Conroe and Kentfield look like really old tech.

Added Edit:

Finally a glimpse at the technology behind AMD not being all that concerned about Conroe!

Yes, short-term concerned, but AMD had a long term answer in place and now has a way of bridging performance for the enthusiast to that longer term answer and keep Dell and Alienware happy while they are doing it. While only promising dual support for now for the very high end FX-62 and above, i would be very surprised if AMD did not have plans to bring this technology to the mainstream desk top market in the next year or so.

Wow!

Some may yawn, others Scoff, but this solution that AMD has come up with along with IBM, CRAY and others could really change the cpu/gpu/ppu landscape a lot more within the next year or two than the great performing stand alone Conroe. Imagine not buying Video Card boards or PhysX Cards anymore, but just dropping the processors into the sockets provided. No, I do not know how this will all work.. it is at a "rocket science" level after all, but.. it is neat to see what AMD has been up to and that AMD did not do some short term trick that many thought they might do, but simply said, that is nice Intel, you have a nice cpu there, but our new platform over-all will be much better than what Intel can offer, even with its adored little Conroe CPU.

My question is what does that mean to us, the DIY assembling enthusiast?

Will we be able to pick out the various cpus, gpus, ppus, accelerators and do with them as we please or will they be sold in packages that need to be loaded together?

Either way, AMD has not responded to Conroe with some sort of short term trick, but rather by setting the stage like the Rock used to, Conroe and Intel, "Can you smell what AMD has cooking?"

hey, i just talked to an intel guy. word is that intel is shaking in their boots, seriously...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: thestain
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2642

When you combine this tech news with the AM2 platform and double sockets, what AMD is doing is making a lot more sense! Who knows, maybe video cards and their heat and noise will be a thing of the past as will Ageia PhysX cards and.. it makes Intel's Conroe and Kentfield look like really old tech.

Added Edit:

Finally a glimpse at the technology behind AMD not being all that concerned about Conroe!

Yes, short-term concerned, but AMD had a long term answer in place and now has a way of bridging performance for the enthusiast to that longer term answer and keep Dell and Alienware happy while they are doing it. While only promising dual support for now for the very high end FX-62 and above, i would be very surprised if AMD did not have plans to bring this technology to the mainstream desk top market in the next year or so.

Wow!

Some may yawn, others Scoff, but this solution that AMD has come up with along with IBM, CRAY and others could really change the cpu/gpu/ppu landscape a lot more within the next year or two than the great performing stand alone Conroe. Imagine not buying Video Card boards or PhysX Cards anymore, but just dropping the processors into the sockets provided. No, I do not know how this will all work.. it is at a "rocket science" level after all, but.. it is neat to see what AMD has been up to and that AMD did not do some short term trick that many thought they might do, but simply said, that is nice Intel, you have a nice cpu there, but our new platform over-all will be much better than what Intel can offer, even with its adored little Conroe CPU.

My question is what does that mean to us, the DIY assembling enthusiast?

Will we be able to pick out the various cpus, gpus, ppus, accelerators and do with them as we please or will they be sold in packages that need to be loaded together?

Either way, AMD has not responded to Conroe with some sort of short term trick, but rather by setting the stage like the Rock used to, Conroe and Intel, "Can you smell what AMD has cooking?"

hey, i just talked to an intel guy. word is that intel is shaking in their boots, seriously...

I also just talked to an Intel dood.....he was laughing so hard he could hardly talk!!
That dood you talked to who was Intel was probably laughing so hard hr was shaking in his boots!!
Way too funny!!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

 

[Conky]

Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat. - AMD spokesman

:laugh:

Actually, I have always felt that a properly designed cpu would erase the need for soundcards and videocards and is the way of the future. There is no reason all these functions couldn't be put on one chip.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat. - AMD spokesman

:laugh:

Actually, I have always felt that a properly designed cpu would erase the need for soundcards and videocards and is the way of the future. There is no reason all these functions couldn't be put on one chip.

It just that specially designed hardware has always been more at doing it's intended task rather then a general purpose unit that can do it all.

Of course you could possibly do everything from one chip it' just that it won't as good as having discreet pieces for each function.

 

[mamisano]

Where is everyone coming up with the idea that AMD plans on creating audio or video "accelerators"? The idea behind the external HTX interface is to allow direct communication between the CPU and task specific add in co-processors, or possibly HTX based video cards.

What this means that a video card from ATI, Nvidia, etc can directly communicate with the CPU at HT speeds without having to go through the chipset, similar to how a game console is designed. The add in co-processors would be designed for specific tasks and could be implemented via an HTX add-in card, CPU socket or directly into the CPU core (new K8L modular design). The co-processors can be used in the server environment for encryption, Floating point applications, etc and on the desktop for physics processing.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

 

[thestain]

When I posted, it was not as an AMD fanboy, but rather someone impressed with the general picture AMD presented on the future.

Intel and its new "Conroe" family of chips are no doubt newsworthy and Conroe is worthy of much of the hype it has received over the past three months or so.., but

Longer term, perhaps lacking a short term answer that takes Conroe head on in the one socket dual core space, AMD has announced Torrenza and the new 2X2 solution that is will eventually be a 4X4 solution.

AMD has gotten the word out that regardless of how well they do against Intel, now that it appears Intel has the performance crown in the short run, once Conroe is available at the retail level, longer term AMD will have some pretty nifty products and performance and in the longer term, AMD's work with IBM and Cray should pay off.

Some are saying.. but software is just starting to go to multi-tasking.. multi-threaded, etc.. the point is.. multi-threaded software is here, it has been here and it is going to really take off in the next few months and years.

So.. short term.. the month of July should be very interesting.. how will AMD answer Intel and Conroe in the short run.. they really have not answered that yet.. other than promising a product that will use two sockets with the only support so far promised for AMD's highest end processors.. but.. it appears likely that by the time AMD gets the motherboards out there to support 2X2... Conroe will be here and then... prices will be a lot lower than $1,000 per FX-62..

Intel has announced the large price drops for July.. AMD has not announced any YET.. so this will bear watching..

The Stain

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

Maybe like four or five years.

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

Maybe like four or five years.

Where did u get that figure, in nowhere did that even come close, amd probably had the definite lead for maybe a little over a year with the release of X2. On the single core front it was always a tossup between multitasking and games performance. So i would give it one year or 2 years absolute max.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

Maybe like four or five years.

Where did u get that figure, in nowhere did that even come close, amd probably had the definite lead for maybe a little over a year with the release of X2. On the single core front it was always a tossup between multitasking and games performance. So i would give it one year or 2 years absolute max.

It was just a guess. Chill out man. Ok two years max. Happy now?

 

[TAGImperialMarch]

After all the complaints of "VAPORWARE! VAPORWARE!" from AMD fans.... this just makes me laugh...

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

Maybe like four or five years.

Dorothy, wake up! And put away those damned ruby slippers too...you're not in Oz anymore.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

Maybe like four or five years.

Dorothy, wake up! And put away those damned ruby slippers too...you're not in Oz anymore.

 

[Regs]

I think the k8L would soak up most of the 20-25% difference. As for servers....Intel is still going to be well behind in the next 4 years or so.

Call me optimistic.

 

[yanman]

after a cusory read of this article I can't really see how well this tech will filter into mainstream desktop systems, but the implications for server efficiency are awesome. our workplace is transitioning to blades now having done a move to virtualised Win2k3 servers and SAN a few years ago. This tech will power some serious toys and make the datacentre environment very flexible.

 

[sandorski]

AMD is steadily introducing whole Platforms instead of just Processors and CPU Sockets. This has always been the sole domain of Intel. If AMD is successful and these architectural technologies do offer substantial advancement of Desktop/Server computing, it shows the maturing of AMD from a desperate wannabe in the Super Socket 7 era, to the Industry Mover of today.

We'll have to wait and see how it all pans out, but the Co-Processor idea could be big.

 

[thestain]

Originally posted by: mamisano
Well, I think at this point with Quad-SLI type graphics systems the CPU and interconnect bandwidth are becoming bottlenecks. With the 4x4 you can have 4 GPUs, 4 CPU cores and increased bandwidth between both subsystems.

 

[thestain]

Originally posted by: mamisano
Well, I think at this point with Quad-SLI type graphics systems the CPU and interconnect bandwidth are becoming bottlenecks. With the 4x4 you can have 4 GPUs, 4 CPU cores and increased bandwidth between both subsystems.

With the announcements, AMD is tipping their cap that until they have the new K8L and can incorporate features from Torrenza on the desk top.. they can do something Intel cannot really do, because of the fsb bottleneck.. and that is go the 2X2 route soon and later.. 4X4.. until Intel overcomes the FSB problems, we should expect AMD to maximize the Hyper Transport Tech and if Intel ends up with the best dual core product, who knows if AMD might be able to beat it by using the hyper transport links, as more and more software is written for multiple cores and mutliple threads..

and.. another thing.. when are we going to get some independent bench marks of Conroe, not controlled by Intel with the FSB set to 1066?

Strange that AMD has its cpus available for independent tests, but Intels appear to just be available for super hard modded fsb overclocking at 0 degees C. When I read the results from Toms Hardware for the E6700 versus the AMD FX-6200.. in high resolution gaming at stock and high quality.. hard to tell the difference anyways.. a good video card is really the determining factor, not the cpu anyway.. so.. if a gamer, not much to get excited about unless you plan on limiting your gaming to only games built for one cpu and.. that are written simply and to be played at low quality and low resolution.. Intel and Conroe are truly unbeatable when it comes to performance at the crappy settings no one will be playing at anyway.

The Stain

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: thestain
Strange that AMD has its cpus available for independent tests, but Intels appear to just be available for super hard modded fsb overclocking at 0 degees C. When I read the results from Toms Hardware for the E6700 versus the AMD FX-6200.. in high resolution gaming at stock and high quality.. hard to tell the difference anyways.. a good video card is really the determining factor, not the cpu anyway.. so.. if a gamer, not much to get excited about unless you plan on limiting your gaming to only games built for one cpu and.. that are written simply and to be played at low quality and low resolution.. Intel and Conroe are truly unbeatable when it comes to performance at the crappy settings no one will be playing at anyway.

The Stain

You over looked something in your closing statement.

You are right that over the last decade, Windows and Direct3D has balanced the load on the video processing unit more so than the CPU. Such as T&L , elimination of legacy support, volumetric textures, multisampling rendering, and now shaders that used to be done on a low-level assembly language.

However, even after all this, the CPU still has it uses for 3D gaming. The term,"expansion card", means what it means for a reason. Windows Vista, as they say, should further strengthen the load on the GPU. The GPU is still and far from complete independency however. What they have down over the years is simply free up resources for the programmers to use the CPU for more complex and process-intensive special effects such as particle effects and artificial intelligence. There will always be a balance between the two until one is deemed obsolete.

 

[degeester]

Daily Tech lays out Intel's plans for the next seven years. Link to DailyTech article What are AMD's plan for the same time frame.

 

[DarkKnight69]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

hey, i just talked to an AMD guy. word is that AMD is shaking in their boots, seriously...

fixed.

I can't understand why people think AMD is so freaked out by Conroe. Its not like they're gonna die without having the performance crown for half a year to a year

A company that has less then 18% of the market share falling behind in performance is gonna hurt!

AMD cannot afford to fall behind at all!

 

[meksta]

is this the first time that Intel has released a faster processor? Has it beeen thaaaat long.

Oh nooooo, AMD has no answer to it at all.