Intel Broadwell Thread

[frozentundra123456]

Isn't the generally accepted value for BW IPC increase around 5%? So chances are that the edram is causing a lot of the effect. It could also be platform related somehow. But I still would like to see more data before we jump to conclusions about how fast BW C is with a dgpu.

 

[richierich1212]

Vaporware??

 

[mikk]

Isn't the generally accepted value for BW IPC increase around 5%?

We don't know. For example IPC increase in games could be 10% and in applications 3%, you end up with something around 5%.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Isn't the generally accepted value for BW IPC increase around 5%? So chances are that the edram is causing a lot of the effect. It could also be platform related somehow. But I still would like to see more data before we jump to conclusions about how fast BW C is with a dgpu.

Another thing is that the few games tested are seeing the benefits with eDRAM and real benefits will be all over the place.

Whole lot of hoopla about what's vaporware.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Another thing is that the few games tested are seeing the benefits with eDRAM and real benefits will be all over the place.

Whole lot of hoopla about what's vaporware.

I guess we will have to wait and see. It just seems like you are determined to place the most negative spin on every possible scenario. It gets rather tiring actually.

 

[LTC8K6]

Another thing is that the few games tested are seeing the benefits with eDRAM and real benefits will be all over the place.

Whole lot of hoopla about what's vaporware.

It would have to way later than it is, to be called vaporware.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Why can't he deny that? Broadwell IPC without edram in games is still unknown. There is surely an effect but how big it is we cannot say for sure.

Um . . . what about all those Broadwell-U processors that have been out for awhile? Or do we not consider those viable for IPC comparisons (versus Haswell-U for example)?

Isn't the generally accepted value for BW IPC increase around 5%? So chances are that the edram is causing a lot of the effect. It could also be platform related somehow. But I still would like to see more data before we jump to conclusions about how fast BW C is with a dgpu.

Yes, Broadwell is usually given a 5% increase over Haswell. Whether or not that's accurate is another matter, but that is the number usually cited.

I would also like to see more data, but still . . .

 

[mikk]

Um . . . what about all those Broadwell-U processors that have been out for awhile? Or do we not consider those viable for IPC comparisons (versus Haswell-U for example)?

Not useful for such tests, for this reason none exists.

 

[crashtech]

There's little else to explain the performance increases we see in some apps with Broadwell-C aside from addition of eDRAM; such will be my own hypothesis until it is confirmed or disproved.

 

[meson2000]

Any updated ideas on when this will be available in the USA? I saw on Amazon that a couple places were offering it for sale with an expected shipment date of mid-August. But they have since disappeared. They were also charging an arm and a leg above Intel's pricing.

 

[dark zero]

Seems that Broadwell C went to stay with AMD Mullins... Both MIA

 

[crashtech]

Seems that Broadwell C went to stay with AMD Mullins... Both MIA

In the US, that is. Europe and Asia are seeing availability now, but Intel's home country is not feeling the love, for whatever reason.

 

[dark zero]

In the US, that is. Europe and Asia are seeing availability now, but Intel's home country is not feeling the love, for whatever reason.

Agreed.. Mullins A10 actually exist and are from Israel manufacturer.. Interesting thing when you have money and wants to produce something.

 

[ShintaiDK]

In the US, that is. Europe and Asia are seeing availability now, but Intel's home country is not feeling the love, for whatever reason.

US was last a few times already. With Skylake, Europe will join the US as second class eletronic citizens.

Mainstream Skylake comes to Europe/North America ~1 month later than China+friends.

Its just something we have to get used to.

 

[Fjodor2001]

So desktop Broadwell will actually be available after desktop Skylake? But then again desktop Broadwell is just a limited SKU placeholder for Intel to avoid the embarrassment of 14 nm Broadwell on desktop being so delayed it effectively missed its slot.

These sure are weird times...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Not useful for such tests, for this reason none exists.

. . . seriously? You're telling me you can't just clock Broadwell-U and Haswell-U to 1 GHz (or 800 mhz, or whatever) to dodge throttling and do IPC tests that way? Heck I'm pretty sure that's been done, albeit at higher base clockspeeds.

Agreed.. Mullins A10 actually exist and are from Israel manufacturer.. Interesting thing when you have money and wants to produce something.

When you say Mullins here, I think you mean Carrizo. There are no A10 products based on Mullins. Carrizo isn't coming from Israel in any way, shape, or form either . . . that's Intel that has a team in Haifa.

 

[mikk]

So desktop Broadwell will actually be available after desktop Skylake?

Obvious troll.

. . . seriously? You're telling me you can't just clock Broadwell-U and Haswell-U to 1 GHz (or 800 mhz, or whatever) to dodge throttling and do IPC tests that way? Heck I'm pretty sure that's been done, albeit at higher base clockspeeds.

Do it and post your results. You should ask yourself why all IPC tests in the past were based on desktop models. The answer is quite simple.

 

[nenforcer]

So desktop Broadwell will actually be available after desktop Skylake? But then again desktop Broadwell is just a limited SKU placeholder for Intel to avoid the embarrassment of 14 nm Broadwell on desktop being so delayed it effectively missed its slot.

These sure are weird times...

Here - you can buy a Core i5 5675C right now from a seller in Korea

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Int...870?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4f845786

for $468 - about $200 over SRP.

 

[Burpo]

Good luck with that.. Feedback from that seller includes..

"Seller is selling goods he does not have to sell, very dishonest."

"Never shipped. Never replied to any question."

"Not so good, I tried to communicate with seller for questions and no answer"

 

[dark zero]

. . . seriously? You're telling me you can't just clock Broadwell-U and Haswell-U to 1 GHz (or 800 mhz, or whatever) to dodge throttling and do IPC tests that way? Heck I'm pretty sure that's been done, albeit at higher base clockspeeds.



When you say Mullins here, I think you mean Carrizo. There are no A10 products based on Mullins. Carrizo isn't coming from Israel in any way, shape, or form either . . . that's Intel that has a team in Haifa.

I was meaning about giving an use of the chip who are.MIA.
Check the Fitlet A10 project. Also the company who made them are from Israel.
They produce Intel machines too. The company is Fitpc.
www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fitlet

 

[Fjodor2001]

Obvious troll.

Why? Isn't that what he said - desktop Broadwell available after desktop Skylake?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why? Isn't that what he said - desktop Broadwell available after desktop Skylake?

I can buy a Broadwell desktop today. I cant buy a Skylake desktop today.

 

[mikk]

He don't understand this on purpose.

 

[ShintaiDK]

He don't understand this on purpose.

Ye I know. Its the same loop all the time.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I can buy a Broadwell desktop today.

You can? In the US? Though you just said you couldn't.