Intel Broadwell Thread

[Sweepr]

Not sure how reliable this piece of info is (pro-AMD ComputerBase). Anyway, apparently motherboard manufacturers @ CES 2016 expect 10-core Broadwell-E to cost up to U$1500.

Last time Intel charged that amount for a desktop CPU was back in 2009 with Skulltrail.

www.computerbase.de/2016-01/cpu-ger...ll-e-fuer-1.500-us-dollar-kaby-lake-erst-2017

 

[jpiniero]

Not sure how reliable this piece of info is (pro-AMD ComputerBase). Anyway, apparently motherboard manufacturers @ CES 2016 expect 10-core Broadwell-E to cost up to U$1500.
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-01/...ll-e-fuer-1.500-us-dollar-kaby-lake-erst-2017

There really will be fanboys who will pay that. Same thing with nVidia and the Titan GP100... that will probably be close to $1500 too.

Intel likely will keep the same pricing levels with the 6/6/8 core Broadwell-E.

 

[VirtualLarry]

apparently motherboard manufacturers @ CES 2016 expect 10-core Broadwell-E to cost up to U$1500.

Disappointing, but unsurprising. Intel isn't in the business of giving things away. Makes the 5820K look like a pretty good deal right about now.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Lets wait and see. Seen these claims before. And I dont trust AMDbase

Other sites expect the standard pricing.

 

[frozentundra123456]

That sounds a bit much, but I wouldnt be surprised at 1299. I never did buy into the hope of those who thought it would be priced like the current 8 core with price drops on the lower core models. But it just depends on the performance. If it overclocks consistently to 4+ ghz I could see it selling. I mean once you get into this bracket, price is pretty much no object anyway.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not sure how reliable this piece of info is (pro-AMD ComputerBase). Anyway, apparently motherboard manufacturers @ CES 2016 expect 10-core Broadwell-E to cost up to U$1500.

Last time Intel charged that amount for a desktop CPU was back in 2009 with Skulltrail.

www.computerbase.de/2016-01/cpu-ger...ll-e-fuer-1.500-us-dollar-kaby-lake-erst-2017

Well, then. Definitely no Broadwell-E for me if this is true, although I do look forward to seeing how it overclocks in reviews. Skylake-E for me

 

[tenks]

noooooooooooooooo! I dont want to wait any longer for skylake-e

 

[Techhog]

Not sure how reliable this piece of info is (pro-AMD ComputerBase). Anyway, apparently motherboard manufacturers @ CES 2016 expect 10-core Broadwell-E to cost up to U$1500.

Last time Intel charged that amount for a desktop CPU was back in 2009 with Skulltrail.

www.computerbase.de/2016-01/cpu-ger...ll-e-fuer-1.500-us-dollar-kaby-lake-erst-2017

Welp.

 

[tenks]

Yea I don't believe it. I've heard of none of the sites reporting it and is all the same internet echo chamber BS.

You can get a 10core Xeon now for $999. You can buy four 6cores for the price of one 10core, if it turns out to be $1500. The pricing doesn't make any sense. $500 increase from 8->10 cores..I'll believe it when it's fact.

 

[myocardia]

You can get a 10core Xeon now for $999. You can buy four 6cores for the price of one 10core, if it turns out to be $1500. The pricing doesn't make any sense. $500 increase from 8->10 cores..I'll believe it when it's fact.

Yeah, I can totally see Intel selling a smaller 10-core SKU for 50% more money than they have been selling their considerably larger 8-core SKU.[/sarcasm]

 

[jpiniero]

You can get a 10core Xeon now for $999. You can buy four 6cores for the price of one 10core, if it turns out to be $1500. The pricing doesn't make any sense. $500 increase from 8->10 cores..I'll believe it when it's fact.

It's not supposed to make sense, it's for rich people with a flaccid e-penis. If Intel didn't think there was enough people who would pay the $1500 there would be no model.

 

[dark zero]

Maybe is 1500 canadian dollars, still is a lot of money on US dollars (over 1 thousand)

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yeah, I can totally see Intel selling a smaller 10-core SKU for 50% more money than they have been selling their considerably larger 8-core SKU.[/sarcasm]

I will see your sarcasm and raise it one with reality. I can totally see it, for real, not sarcastically. It would make just as much sense as some of the Titan prices from nVidia, or pricing 5930k two hundred dollars more than 5820k. Ultimately, pricing is not about die size, but performance and status.

But like I have said before, I dont really see the market for a 10 core monster unless they can get much better clockspeeds than I am expecting (overclocked). I would much rather see a mainstream hex core and 8 and 10 cores for the HEDT lineup.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I will see your sarcasm and raise it one with reality. I can totally see it, for real, not sarcastically. It would make just as much sense as some of the Titan prices from nVidia, or pricing 5930k two hundred dollars more than 5820k. Ultimately, pricing is not about die size, but performance and status.

But like I have said before, I dont really see the market for a 10 core monster unless they can get much better clockspeeds than I am expecting (overclocked). I would much rather see a mainstream hex core and 8 and 10 cores for the HEDT lineup.

The chip will overclock fine; ~4.2GHz should be achievable no problem, with 4.3-4.5GHz probably typical on the same kinds of high end cooling needed to get 5960x to those levels.

 

[tenks]

Intel is greedy but they usually pass the process shrink/arch savings on to us, keeping prices from gen to gen the same. When Haswell-E went to 8 cores, up 2 from Ivy-E's 6, Intel didn't change it to $1500...There isn't really precedent for this.

4960X 6c $999 @ launch Ivy-E 22nm

5960X 8C(+2C) $999 @ launch Haswell-E 22nm

6950X 10c(+2c) $1499 @ launch? Broadwell-E 14nm

No change in price when they add 2 cores on the same process. But now its $500 more when they add 2 cores on a smaller process? Doesn't make ANY sense.



I will believe if and when it's official.

 

[myocardia]

Intel is greedy but they usually pass the process shrink/arch savings on to us, keeping prices from gen to gen the same. When Haswell-E went to 8 cores, up 2 from Ivy-E's 6, Intel didn't change it to $1500...There isn't really precedent for this.

4960X 6c $999 @ launch Ivy-E 22nm

5960X 8C(+2C) $999 @ launch Haswell-E 22nm

6950X 10c(+2c) $1499 @ launch? Broadwell-E 14nm

No change in price when they add 2 cores on the same process. But now its $500 more when they add 2 cores on a smaller process? Doesn't make ANY sense.



I will believe if and when it's official.

Exactly. Do note that the prices for the first few weeks at retailers will be considerably higher, as they always have been, possibly as high as $1,500 US, for the 10-core Broadwell-E. This has zero to do with the prices that the companies are paying to buy the CPUs from AMD & Intel. It's just the laws of supply and demand. The first few sites that get the 69x0X will charge more for it. Once it's available everywhere, I expect it to be within a few dollars of the price of the 5960X today.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Maybe is 1500 canadian dollars, still is a lot of money on US dollars (over 1 thousand)

Haha, so true

For the more Canadians they now pay 41.7% extra over the USD. Compared to 1:1 a ~year ago.

 

[jpiniero]

No change in price when they add 2 cores on the same process. But now its $500 more when they add 2 cores on a smaller process? Doesn't make ANY sense.

A smaller process that 18 months in is still having severe yield issues. Not to mention may not be much cheaper ($/transistor) than 22 nm. If they didn't think they could get $1500 for the 10 core there would be no 10 core. It doesn't make sense from the consumer perspective (at least compared to the 8-core model) but that's the point - it's for e-penis people.

 

[ShintaiDK]

A smaller process that 18 months in is still having severe yield issues. Not to mention may not be much cheaper ($/transistor) than 22 nm. If they didn't think they could get $1500 for the 10 core there would be no 10 core. It doesn't make sense from the consumer perspective (at least compared to the 8-core model) but that's the point - it's for e-penis people.

Do you know its a yield issue and not capacity issue?

And do you think they raise Xeon prices too?

 

[jpiniero]

And do you think they raise Xeon prices too?

I was thinking about that... maybe.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I was thinking about that... maybe.

Nah, they're guiding to a gross margin reduction thanks to 14nm ramp next year. If they were raising prices to compensate for 14nm yields, this wouldn't be the case.

They are eating the yield issues to keep prices ~flat with current gen Xeons, per their typical plan.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Do you know its a yield issue and not capacity issue?

And do you think they raise Xeon prices too?

Arent the two issues connected though? If the yield is poor, then what was planned as sufficient capacity will not be enough.

I think it has to ultimately be a yield issue. I cant remember when there were supply issues like Skylake, and I dont think sales are that much higher than at any other new chip introduction, so it must be a supply issue.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Arent the two issues connected though? If the yield is poor, then what was planned as sufficient capacity will not be enough.

I think it has to ultimately be a yield issue. I cant remember when there were supply issues like Skylake, and I dont think sales are that much higher than at any other new chip introduction, so it must be a supply issue.

No its different. Capacity is most likely due to the extra litho exposure time.

the result is the same, but the reasons and solutions is very different.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Not sure how reliable this piece of info is (pro-AMD ComputerBase). Anyway, apparently motherboard manufacturers @ CES 2016 expect 10-core Broadwell-E to cost up to U$1500.

$1500! Ouch. I was not expecting that. And 8 core stuck at $999.

The 6 core is perhaps within reach though. And maybe I can persuade my boss to get me an 8/10 core for work.

Seems like Moore's law is dead for the consumer in this chip segment. Should be sweet margins for Intel though.

 

[Arachnotronic]

$1500! Ouch. I was not expecting that. And 8 core stuck at $999.

The 6 core is perhaps within reach though. And maybe I can persuade my boss to get me an 8/10 core for work.

Seems like Moore's law is dead for the consumer in this chip segment. Should be sweet margins for Intel though.

Intel seems to be betting on the idea that customers who will buy a $1k processor will have no problems paying $1500 for one.

We'll see if this was a good bet or not soon enough...