Intel Broadwell Thread

[impingu1984]

Has anyone noticed that EVGA name check Broadwell-E in their X99 MoBo Manuals.

On page 3 of the links below it states:

The X99 platform redefines high performance with the introduction of the first ever quad channel DDR4 architecture fueled by Intel’s Haswell-E/Broadwell-E CPU family for up to 128GB’s of RAM running.......

On page 13 of the links below it states:

The memory controller on most Haswell-E and Broadwell-E CPUs runs at a default frequency of 2133MHz. To achieve memory speeds above 2133MHz+ may require manual setting of the memory timings, frequency and voltages and/or overclocking of the CPU.

X99 Classified

https://www.evga.com/support/manuals/files/151-HE-E999_Part1_v2.pdf

X99 FTW

https://www.evga.com/support/manuals/files/150-HE-E997_Part1_v2.pdf

X99 Micro

https://www.evga.com/support/manuals/files/131-HE-E995_Part1_v2.pdf

X99 Micro2

https://www.evga.com/support/manuals/files/131-HE-E095_Part1_v2.pdf

Don't think it means anything really just found it curious while I was researching the X99 Micro2 for my potential MicroATX Broadwell-E build

 

[ksec]

New single-thread performance king and highest clocked x86 CPU in town (stock):

Xeon E5-2602 v4, Broadwell-EP, 4C/8T, 5.1GHz (default clock), 10MB L3, 165W TDP

Before you get too excited, this is an OEM-only server chip. Still, nice to see Intel is able to push these clocks at 14nm if they want to.

Wow just Wow. That means I could have a Dual CPU Xeon Server each running max at 5.1Ghz?

I wonder if OVH will have this config.

 

[tenks]

Why is it that every single time a 6c+ chip is talked about, no one can think beyond themselves and their own personal usage habits?

"OMg why do you need a 8 core, it won't do anything for gaming. Omg omg omg omg. Must be e-peen $$"


This is getting so, SO tired. Very closed minded to think that everyone is a gamer and they only buy computer parts to game. smh

 

[Arachnotronic]

Why is it that every single time a 6c+ chip is talked about, no one can think beyond themselves and their own personal usage habits?

"OMg why do you need a 8 core, it won't do anything for gaming. Omg omg omg omg. Must be e-peen $$"


This is getting so, SO tired. Very closed minded to think that everyone is a gamer and they only buy computer parts to game. smh

Even if you only buy computer parts to game, why give somebody crap for buying the best (consumer) CPU that $ can buy?

If you can afford a $1500 10-core CPU and it makes you happy, then enjoy it...don't let other people make you feel "bad" about your purchase

 

[impingu1984]

Even if you only buy computer parts to game, why give somebody crap for buying the best (consumer) CPU that $ can buy?

If you can afford a $1500 10-core CPU and it makes you happy, then enjoy it...don't let other people make you feel "bad" about your purchase

Exactly this my most hated term is "bang for the buck".... If your budget is $10000 the " best bang for your buck" is gonna be the very best CPU/mobo/ram/PSU and 3x titan x's

People confuse this with the law of diminished returns.

If you can afford a $1500 CPU that you want then do it.

 

[crashtech]

Come now, if price/performance discussions were off limits, there'd be a lot less to discuss. In fact, I'd say a plurality of posts in the tech forums revolve around the question of best choice for the money. That said, such a mindset can become a sort of Procrustean bed.

 

[Sweepr]

Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2699 v4 @ 2.20GHz (22C 44T 2.2GHz, 22x 256kB L2, 55MB L3) monster being tested right now.

Also Broadwell-E's Core i7-6900K server counterpart boosts a slightly higher base clock (3.4GHz vs 3.2GHz).

 

[PPB]

Nvm. Misread 6900k

 

[zir_blazer]

Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2699 v4 @ 2.20GHz (22C 44T 2.2GHz, 22x 256kB L2, 55MB L3) monster being tested right now.

Also Broadwell-E's Core i7-6900K server counterpart boosts a slightly higher base clock (3.4GHz vs 3.2GHz).

The Motherboards used are Supermicro X10SRW-F and C7X99-OCE-F, respectively. Fun fun fun.

 

[Aristotelian]

It's not supposed to make sense, it's for rich people with a flaccid e-penis. If Intel didn't think there was enough people who would pay the $1500 there would be no model.

And

A smaller process that 18 months in is still having severe yield issues. Not to mention may not be much cheaper ($/transistor) than 22 nm. If they didn't think they could get $1500 for the 10 core there would be no 10 core. It doesn't make sense from the consumer perspective (at least compared to the 8-core model) but that's the point - it's for e-penis people.

Are disconcerting to me. I plan to buy a 10 core Broadwell-E and I can assure you that my "e-penis" does not factor into my desire to get one. I simply want to buy the best CPU I can this year, for the fastest build I can make this year, and sit on that for a while before I repeat the process a few years down the line.

Worse - your "e-penis" line reeks of something like purchasing power envy or scorn. Why do you care what I spend my money on? I spend more on what the Broadwell-E will cost on lunch once in a while and it's not hard to do so. I've said this before and I'll say it again - judging how people spend their disposable income on an enthusiast forum is bizarre.

It's like going to a car forum and harassing people who want to buy an AMG C63S for use in New York (I'd buy one if I lived in Germany - on my view, anywhere else it's a waste, unless there are other countries with no speed limits on parts of the highway network).

Having said that - I don't see them selling much less by pricing the CPU at $1399 instead of $999 - but again, that's a debate about the elasticity of demand. I'd still buy one at that price. But as ShintaiDK (and others) have repeatedly argued there's no precedent for this, so let's see. I'd be happier if the 10 core is indeed USD $999.

Why is it that every single time a 6c+ chip is talked about, no one can think beyond themselves and their own personal usage habits?

"OMg why do you need a 8 core, it won't do anything for gaming. Omg omg omg omg. Must be e-peen $$"


This is getting so, SO tired. Very closed minded to think that everyone is a gamer and they only buy computer parts to game. smh

Thank you for this post. And it's not even about what it's used for, to an extent. I posted a thread in another sub-forum about an ultimate watercooling setup and I plan to overclock the 10 core Broadwell-E as far as I can with 3x 480mm radiators, and 2 of the next gen video cards overclocked as much as I can too. Do I need it? No. Do I even need a gaming PC? Not really. Do you (plural readership out there) really care what I spend my money on? I hope not.

On topic - I'm hoping for feature reach X99 refreshes, if possible, by the time the new Broadwell-E processors come out.

 

[Sweepr]

Xeon-D (wave 2) vs Avoton vs A1100

Also an analysis by ServerTheHome:

With eight low power cores and the promise of ARM, we were excited to see the AMD Opteron A1100. AMD promised integrated dual 10GbE whereas Intel was shipping integrated 1GbE/ 2.5GbE. The A1100 was supporting PCIe 3.0 early on and had lots of SATA ports. Suffice to say our initial coverage of AMD we were extremely excited for the chip. Then 2014 was more or less development kits and PowerPoints only. With the AMD Opteron A1100 in mass production now in Q1 2016, we cannot help to think that this looking less than promising.

Here is a quick visualization for you, and feel free to click this for a larger version. What we did was took a sample of the large Atom C2000 family, the Intel Xeon D family, and the AMD Opteron A1100 family and placed them in a table. We took the AMD chips and placed them between Intel’s Q3 2013 chips (Atom C2000 series) and Intel’s Q1 2015 chips. While one may argue that the Xeon D wave 2 parts launched in November 2015 are not readily available, we will have our first 35w 6 core production board within the next week and we have several vendors who have told us additional Xeon D products are inbound in the next few weeks.

As a 2014 product the 8 lanes of PCIe 3.0, 128GB RAM (albeit only 32GB with DDR3 since DDR4 was in short supply in 2014) and integrated 10GbE would have looked amazing. From what we have seen thus far, the ARM Cortex-A57 cores are more of a C2000 (Avoton/ Rangeley) competitor in terms of instructions per clock so this chart is deceiving. We already know that in most cases a 4 core Xeon D-1520 outperforms an 8 core Atom C2000 series at 2.4GHz by a considerable margin. Here is an example from those linked benchmarks with OpenSSL:

In 2016, launching a part with similar TDP but at at the C2758 performance levels (per core) is not going to be the winning formula.

www.servethehome.com/the-amd-opteron-a1100-an-editorial/

Now we can confirm that approximately two years after announcement we still do not have an AMD Opteron A1100 part, but we already have Xeon D wave 2 part in the lab. That is from a product line that was not even in existence until over a year after the AMD ARM chip was announced. We received a lot of mail yesterday after our editorial on the A1100 and this is likely the answer. Supermicro and Intel delivered a working Xeon D wave 2 board that works with existing software before the A1100 showed up.

www.servethehome.com/new-intel-xeon-d-platforms-starting-to-arrive


More to come with 12-core and 16-core Xeon-D launching soon.
Intel released a 12W 8C/8T Avoton part back in 2013, let's see what 14nm Denverton brings later this year.

 

[tenks]

Broadwell-EP sku's leaked.


Very interesting..Two 12 core sku's with a 3.0ghz baseclock at 105/135w..Nice. the 2689 looks money!

 

[MrTeal]

Interesting. With Haswell, the 18, 16 and 14 core chips were from one die, the 10-12 were another die, while 8-6-4 were the same die as HW-E. Given the gaps here, would it make sense the 22-20-18 are the large die, 14-12 are another, and 10-8-6 the last die.

I wonder how they'll be laid out, assuming that the don't differ wildly from HW-EP. 22 cores could be HCC with another core in each column, but if you did that with MCC you'd end up with 15 cores. Maybe MCC would keep the first two columns from HCC and have 4 in the third column, or four in the first two and have six in the third column.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Interesting. With Haswell, the 18, 16 and 14 core chips were from one die, the 10-12 were another die, while 8-6-4 were the same die as HW-E. Given the gaps here, would it make sense the 22-20-18 are the large die, 14-12 are another, and 10-8-6 the last die.

I wonder how they'll be laid out, assuming that the don't differ wildly from HW-EP. 22 cores could be HCC with another core in each column, but if you did that with MCC you'd end up with 15 cores. Maybe MCC would keep the first two columns from HCC and have 4 in the third column, or four in the first two and have six in the third column.

Top Broadwell configuration is 24 cores, FYI.

 

[jpiniero]

Surprisingly Broadwell-C is in stock at Newegg. It's $299 for the i5 and $371 for the i7.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Surprisingly Broadwell-C is in stock at Newegg. It's $299 for the i5 and $371 for the i7.

14nm yields have gotten a lot better at Intel over the last several months. 6700k and Broadwell-C are now plentiful.

 

[MrTeal]

Top Broadwell configuration is 24 cores, FYI.

In EP, or just EX?

 

[Arachnotronic]

In EP, or just EX?

EX full die is 24 cores, 22 core is harvested EX.

 

[tenks]

EX full die is 24 cores, 22 core is harvested EX.

So these 22 core EPs are harvested EX dies? Don't the EX skus traditionally come out much later after the EP skus?

 

[MrTeal]

So these 22 core EPs are harvested EX dies? Don't the EX skus traditionally come out much later after the EP skus?

That might just be platform related. The dies for big Haswell-EP and -EX look pretty much identical.

 

[zir_blazer]

Ivy Bridge-E maxed out at 12 Cores and Ivy Bridge-EX at 15, they looked to be completely different dies. But yes, based on specs, the 18 Core Haswell-E, and the best Haswell-EX, looks like if they are the exact same die.

A curious thing, Haswell-EX was A DROP IN REPLACEMENT FOR IVY BRIDGE-EX (Through it seems they require compatible, refreshed Chipsets). They worked by bypassing the Motherboard VRMs so it could use Haswell integrated VRM, but was otherwise Socket compatible with the previous generation. Haswell/Haswell-E justified a new Socket.

Also, Intel previous claim was that they were going to launch new -EX processors every two generations. First was Westmere-EX, then skipped Sandy Bridge. You had Ivy Bridge-EX as expected, and now both Haswell-EX AND Broadwell-EX.

 

[AtenRa]

From a very reliable source it has been confirmed 10 Core Broadwell-E at $1500

 

[Arachnotronic]

From a very reliable source it has been confirmed 10 Core Broadwell-E at $1500

Sadly, I am hearing the same.

 

[superstition]

From a very reliable source it has been confirmed 10 Core Broadwell-E at $1500

With no EDRAM, too, I bet.

Let's all get an inferior core for a high price that doesn't have the one thing that made desktop Broadwell attractive for gamers.

 

[tenks]

thats pretty lame. I really wanted a $600-$700 8core intel cpu....ugh