Intel Broadwell Thread

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xthetenth

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That's some really impressive performance compared to Haswell machines, and just confirmed that I want to hold off getting a Surface Pro until that line gets a refresh.
 

danjw

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3.3-3.7GHz, not bad at all. Coupled with ~5% better IPC and some gains from the eDRAM and you're not that far from Core i7 4790K CPU performance with much better iGPU at lower TDP. Here's hoping they will reach at least 4GHz 24/7 @ OC. Also the new Core i5 doesn't regress much in terms of clockspeed (-100MHz max Turbo).

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/146637/i...ktop-only-have-i7-5775c-and-i5-5675c-03232015

My understanding these "C" parts are targeted at mini-PCs and all in one PCs. They are not intended to unseat the Devil's Canyon CPUs on performance. We have to wait for Skylake for that. Source: http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwell...pro-graphics-6200-detailed-launching-q2-2015/
 

coercitiv

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My understanding these "C" parts are targeted at mini-PCs and all in one PCs. They are not intended to unseat the Devil's Canyon CPUs on performance.
So they target thermally constrained environments but make them unlocked to allow overclocking. Ok.
 

DrMrLordX

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My understanding these "C" parts are targeted at mini-PCs and all in one PCs. They are not intended to unseat the Devil's Canyon CPUs on performance. We have to wait for Skylake for that. ]

Not exactly. First off, I doubt the OEMs that make your typical AiO are going to foot the bill for Broadwell Iris Pro as a part of the bill of materials. You didn't see the 4770R in many AiOs (you saw it in a few NUCs, though). What is interesting is that Intel has announced that they will be making BGA soldered versions of this chip with the R designation and socketed versions of the chip with the C designation.

Originally, I had thought the processor that has come to be known as the 5775C would be a replacement for the 4770R, but now I see that there is a new Broadwell R CPU to do that, so I sort of wonder what is the point of the C chip, other than to throw a bone to Z97 owners that were waiting for Broadwell.

We still don't know what is the max headroom for these C chips anyway.
 

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Not exactly. First off, I doubt the OEMs that make your typical AiO are going to foot the bill for Broadwell Iris Pro as a part of the bill of materials. You didn't see the 4770R in many AiOs (you saw it in a few NUCs, though). What is interesting is that Intel has announced that they will be making BGA soldered versions of this chip with the R designation and socketed versions of the chip with the C designation.

Originally, I had thought the processor that has come to be known as the 5775C would be a replacement for the 4770R, but now I see that there is a new Broadwell R CPU to do that, so I sort of wonder what is the point of the C chip, other than to throw a bone to Z97 owners that were waiting for Broadwell.

We still don't know what is the max headroom for these C chips anyway.

Would be rather amusing if these 65w socketed 5775C's are overclocking monsters and can clock to 5Ghz on air
 

DrMrLordX

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Would be rather amusing if these 65w socketed 5775C's are overclocking monsters and can clock to 5Ghz on air

Indeed it would. Does Broadwell still have the FIVR in the CPU package like Haswell? If not, that might change some things, thermally at least.

Heck I'd be happy with them if they could hit 4.5 regularly. Between uarch improvements and the eDRAM l4 cache, that would be some serious CPU power right there. Gen8 Iris Pro would just be the cherry on top.

It's really hard to know exactly what's going to happen here since Intel has given us almost no frame of reference. And really, do they need to? The enthusiast market matters less now than it did 10-20 years ago, so it would be silly for Intel to concern itself with whether or not the chip will hit 4.5 ghz or higher on air. It's kind of a nice surprise that we're seeing the 5775C at all.
 

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Not exactly. First off, I doubt the OEMs that make your typical AiO are going to foot the bill for Broadwell Iris Pro as a part of the bill of materials. You didn't see the 4770R in many AiOs (you saw it in a few NUCs, though). What is interesting is that Intel has announced that they will be making BGA soldered versions of this chip with the R designation and socketed versions of the chip with the C designation.

Originally, I had thought the processor that has come to be known as the 5775C would be a replacement for the 4770R, but now I see that there is a new Broadwell R CPU to do that, so I sort of wonder what is the point of the C chip, other than to throw a bone to Z97 owners that were waiting for Broadwell.

We still don't know what is the max headroom for these C chips anyway.

The people who see these chips as a "bone" won't be the ones overclocking. They are more interested in power saving, than performance. I must admit I don't really understand why these "C" CPUs are being released. My only guess is that some OEMs and/or System Integrators wanted them. Maybe we will see an Asus ROG AIO with one it in. ;-)
 

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Good showing for core M













On system performance, we have seen some fairly wild swings when comparing the UX305 with the slowest Core M processor available to other devices, especially the Yoga 3 Pro which has the fastest Core M released so far with the 5Y71. The Yoga 3 Pro even includes a fan, whereas the UX305 is passively cooled. On quick, burst benchmarks such as TouchXPRT, and on single-threaded benchmarks such as Cinebench, and even on the web tests the Yoga 3 Pro with 5Y71 offers a lot more performance. However on the longer benchmarks the UX305 pulls ahead despite the lower base and boost clock speeds.

The performance of Core M is much more akin to how a smartphone or tablet is limited in performance, where the manufacturer has to look at overall device temperatures and decide where they want to limit performance.

would be amazing to see what apple could do with this chip with the right industrial design in a ipad pro tablet
 
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Sweepr

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Good showing for core M

would be amazing to see what apple could do with this chip with the right industrial design in a ipad pro tablet

ASUS always gets it right. This product was probably designed around Core M, almost a perfect fit. The price is fair too, starts at $699 (same as 128GB iPad Air 2 WiFi).
 
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liahos1

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ASUS always gets it right. This product was probably designed around Core M, almost a perfect fit. The price is fair too, starts at $699 (same as 128GB iPad Air 2 WiFi).

and this is the slower 5y10 chip. If we get a decent step up in ipc and gpu performance with skylake core m + potentially higher clocks due to maturation at 14nm...sky's the limit.

there were a couple of lower priced whitebox type devices with CORE M shown at CEBIT

http://www.umpcportal.com/2015/03/five-brand-new-low-cost-core-m-products-from-cebit-2015/
 

Qwertilot

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Couldn't match this in an ipad pro even with the same chip. See the heat descriptions - even the warning about using it on your lap etc. In this configuration/design its pulling more power than a tablet chip can sustain.

Which is more than fine in a laptop! It still isn't much power use of course as per the battery life. Very nice looking device and much more what a good mid range laptop should be like than many other things.
 

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So, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that MacBook Pros with the 5557u (3.1-3.4, 28w tdp) have started to appear on geekbench.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=5557U&sort=score

Single-core scores look basically the same as the 4578u (3.0-3.5, 28tdp). Multi-core scores are anywhere from 3-8% higher. Difference is most prominent on the 64 bit platforms.

Best scores:

Windows 32-bit
Single - 3298 (4578u - 3303)
Multi - 7060 (4578u - 6832)

Windows 64-bit
Single - 3483 (4578u - 3424)
Multi - 7365 (4578u - 6757)

OS X 32-bit
Single - 3331 (4578u - 3292)
Multi - 6887 (4578u - 6688)

OS X 64-bit
Single - 3616 (4578u - 3595)
Multi - 7693 (4578u - 7485)
 
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liahos1

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Couldn't match this in an ipad pro even with the same chip. See the heat descriptions - even the warning about using it on your lap etc. In this configuration/design its pulling more power than a tablet chip can sustain.

Which is more than fine in a laptop! It still isn't much power use of course as per the battery life. Very nice looking device and much more what a good mid range laptop should be like than many other things.



temperature is clearly a function of the industrial design of the device.

its in the next macbook and im sure apple wouldnt have put it in if it was scalding knees.

At 12.9 inches (rumored size) you could run it at cTDP ~4 at 7mm thickness or at 5w at 8mm

Metal chassis, 41C Tskin, 25C TAmbient
 

ShintaiDK

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The A8X isnt exactly known for its "cool runnings".

41C for the Core M is 1C lower than the iPad with the A8X at 42C.
 

ShintaiDK

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where did you get that data?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-iPad-Air-2-A1567-128-GB-LTE-Tablet-Review.129396.0.html

The surface temperatures of the Apple iPad Air 2 reach up to 32 °C (~89.6 °F) when idling, which means the tablet is not even lukewarm. Load results in values of up to 42.8 °C (~109 °F), which was measured at the back in the area of the SoC. The rest of the device reaches up to 36.2 °C (~97 °F). The results of the iPad are therefore not critical at all, but it is still the hottest device within the comparison. The coolest device is still the Surface 2 (up to 35.3 °C; ~95.5 °F).
 
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