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witeken

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Analyzing Intel Core M Performance: How 5Y10 can beat 5Y71 & the OEMs' Dilemma

So with all of this data, what more do we know about Core M? Clearly, Intel’s goal with Core M is to provide excellent performance on short workloads. It has higher boost frequencies than the Core i5-5200U that was included in this test, and it has 4 MB of L3 cache as well compared to 3 MB of cache on the i5. On certain workloads, performance can even surpass the i5-5200U. Race to sleep is not a new idea, but that is what Core M is designed to do, and it does it well.
Is Core M a good processor? Or is it slow? It is clearly slower than a Core i5, but it would be hard to expect it not to be. On many daily workloads, it performs very well. On things like web browsing we are already to the point where the Yoga 3 Pro outscores a Core i7-860 4C/8T 95 watt desktop CPU from 2009 in web benchmarks. Since Core M is mainly aimed at thin and light devices, it can be expected that these are the kinds of workloads that one would perform on them.
In order to get something as powerful as the Core architecture inside of a fanless tablet, there is going to be compromise. In a Core M device, that is going to be sustained performance. What you give up in sustained performance though allows a thinner and lighter device, in form factors that would never have been possible with Core even one year ago. But it also means that the Core M SKU designation is only a sign of general performance, rather than absolute positioning. For that, we have to compare and contrast each unit in a review. Luckily, we hope to cover a large number of the important models over the next few months.
 

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ASUS managed to get better performance with a slower Core M model inside a fanless design.







With the rise of tablets, the migration from hard desktops to smaller form factors has been unprecedented and Core M gives much more CPU performance than any tablet SoC available right now, at the expense of the additional cost the premium product brings. It is well suited to the types of workloads that many of us do during a typical day. There has been a lot of design wins already for this processor, covering a large range of device types and manufacturers. Even Apple has decided that there is a niche where a thinner and lighter version of their laptop may be of good use to their customers.
 

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Came across an interesting article on Reddit: http://www.vrworld.com/2015/03/25/i...cpus-for-desktop-skylake-debuting-in-october/

In what may be a sign that Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) is set to move on from the Broadwell platform and focus on Skylake, it is being reported that the chip vendor will launch just two Broadwell SKUs for desktop, with the parts set to be announced at this year’s Computex.

The processors will be the Core i7-5775C and Core i5-5675C, and the 65W TDP offerings will be fully compatible with current Z97 motherboards following a BIOS update. The “C’ in the nomenclature is to denote the fact that the processors are unlocked, with Intel said to be moving away from the “K” naming convention.

The Core i7-5775C will feature a base clock of 3.3GHz along with a turbo clock of 3.7GHz. With four cores, eight threads and 6MB cache along with Iris Pro Graphics 6200, the i7-5775C will be the higher-end offering in this series.

The Core i5-5675C, on the other hand, will feature a slightly lower clock speed of 3.1GHz, with a turbo frequency of 3.6GHz. The CPU has 4MB cache and will also feature Iris Pro Graphics 6200. The LGA1150 Broadwell offerings are essentially a 14nm shrink of the Haswell die, and unlike previous years, Intel will not be offering a full gamut of CPUs across pricing tiers.

Instead, the vendor will focus its efforts on the Skylake architecture, the tock in Intel’s tick-tock release cadence cycle. Skylake will also be fabricated on a 14nm process, but will usher in significant CPU and GPU improvements along with lesser power consumption. To expedite the launch of Skylake, Intel is rumored to move up its annual Intel Developers Forum to mid-August, where it is officially set to unveil the new CPUs.

Skylake for the desktop will be offered as fully unlocked versions with TDPs of 65W and 95W, with a 35W SKU also planned for low-power devices. The chip vendor is set to begin producing the hardware in June or July, with retail availability set to commence from October.
 

DrMrLordX

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JM, that's old news. We've known about Broadwell Iris Pro for some time now (and the cancellation of all the other LGA1150 desktop Broadwells). The i7-5775C and i5-5675C were announced a few weeks ago. Though the idea that fully unlocked Skylake is coming in October is news to me . . . I had expected locked Skylake-S in 2015 and unlocked Skylake-K in 2016.
 

JM Popaleetus

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JM, that's old news. We've known about Broadwell Iris Pro for some time now (and the cancellation of all the other LGA1150 desktop Broadwells). The i7-5775C and i5-5675C were announced a few weeks ago. Though the idea that fully unlocked Skylake is coming in October is news to me . . . I had expected locked Skylake-S in 2015 and unlocked Skylake-K in 2016.
I don't recall reading anywhere else in this thread that "C" was replacing "K" as the unlocked suffix. Or any 'hard' numbers for the Broadwell desktop release.

My apologies.
 

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DrMrLordX

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Yes, I have read and contributed to that thread too. I still don't recall ever reading anything about a change in the unlocked suffix.

I apologize if I missed it.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37273759&postcount=213

From that post onward.

No need to apologize, these threads have been going deep lately. Heck we're already started two Zen preview threads, and it's only Q2 2015 for crying out loud.

Yeah I think the C revision is for unlocked Iris Pro chips, and R is for locked Iris Pro. Skylake is supposed to have some K parts. Broadwell-K (that is, unlocked non-Iris Pro) is dead.
 

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With regards to that image, I like the mini desktop and specifically I love my Mac mini. I always wonder about its future though and feel like Apple could pull the plug on it at any time.
 

IntelUser2000

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Skylake is supposed to have some K parts. Broadwell-K (that is, unlocked non-Iris Pro) is dead.

I think it goes like this:

Skylake-K: GT2
Broadwell-K: GT3e

Even though Skylake is Gen 9, because it lacks eDRAM it'll end up quite a bit slower than GT3e in Broadwell-K. Ars Technica review of Iris 6100 shows that going from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-1866 offers near linear performance scaling, so its super memory bound. They are basically trying to cover two small markets with two cores.

Simply I think Intel decided they can't do much on the CPU side with Broadwell-K but they still need to recoup on development costs without delaying Skylake.
 

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Simply I think Intel decided they can't do much on the CPU side with Broadwell-K but they still need to recoup on development costs without delaying Skylake.

Intel actually doesn't need to recoup broadwell's cost. Haswell has earned more than it was planned to because of its extended life.
 
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witeken

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2X iPad Air





GFXBench isn't as good:



Just for fun:



The Dell Venue 11 Pro tablet, when considered as a pure tablet, has some shortcomings due to the very nature of what makes it an excellent hybrid device. At 10.8 inches in screen diameter, it never felt too big to use as a tablet, but the extra thickness and mass of it make it hard to compete against some of the pure tablets out there. It does use the extra size to great effect though, with the Venue 11 Pro packing a full personal computer into its chassis. These are not tablet parts inside, with a Core processor, 8 GB of memory, and a Solid State Drive at the heart of this device. The performance is quite a bit better than pretty much all other fanless tablets around.
Both feature Ultrabook class components inside, but have different trade-offs, with the Surface Pro 3 having better performance and active cooling. That puts the Venue 11 Pro into a class of its own, with the fanless design of a Core M tablet. The starting price of just $699 undercuts the Surface Pro 3 Core i3 version by $150, which is not insignificant.

In my opinion, only a Core-Y CPU would justify the 'Pro' of the rumored iPad Pro.
 

NTMBK

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In my opinion, only a Core-Y CPU would justify the 'Pro' of the rumored iPad Pro.

And what does the power consumption of that Core-Y look like, eh? Battery life is much shorter, and charge time is much longer (due to the enormous battery).





Not to mention that browser based benchmarks are notoriously dependent on the, you know, web browser.

Core Y is significantly more power hungry, massively more expensive, and runs the wrong instruction set, for comparable GPU performance and slightly better CPU performance... Oh, and a faster 14nm A9X powered iPad will probably arrive in October, given Apple's typical release schedule. Really not looking too compelling.
 

Sweepr

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2X iPad Air





In my opinion, only a Core-Y CPU would justify the 'Pro' of the rumored iPad Pro.

Whoever thinks Apple is about to catch up in CPU performance should take a look.
Also Skylake-Y should be out by the time A9X arrives.

Even at Geekbench the best Core M single-thread scores are over 50% faster than A8X's best.

I'd take a $699 ASUS UX305 over an overpriced iPad Pro anyday. $400 is my personal limit for tablets.
 
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dahorns

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And what does the power consumption of that Core-Y look like, eh? Battery life is much shorter, and charge time is much longer (due to the enormous battery).

Screen size is much larger (10.8 vs 9.7), twice as much memory (4gb vs 2gb), and more connections options (e.g., USB, HDMI, SD card).

Battery life depends on usage. You showed Video Playback at 720p. Notebookcheck also includes idle, surfing, and load comparisons. Air 2 does twice as long at idle. 9:22 surfing for the Dell, 10:30 for the Air 2. Dell wins in Load time at 4:04 vs 3:32.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-iPad-Air-2-A1567-128-GB-LTE-Tablet-Review.129396.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Venue-11-Pro-7140-Convertible-Tablet-Review.133634.0.html

Not to mention that browser based benchmarks are notoriously dependent on the, you know, web browser.

I'm assuming Anandtech knows that and is, you know, using the same browser. Go look at the MacBook review for more comparisons:





Core Y is significantly more power hungry, massively more expensive, and runs the wrong instruction set, for comparable GPU performance and slightly better CPU performance...

Uh... slightly more CPU performance? I mean, the only CPU benchmark that is all that close is GeekBench multicore. Everything else is at minimum a 40% advantage to Core-M.

Graphics performance is more interesting, and largely depends on what the GPU is asked to do:


That's about a 13% increase over the Air 2 (~31,000 in graphics)

http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile/Apple+iPad+Air+2/review

n.b. the physics score isn't in the same ballpark (10,000 vs 48,000).

More graphics scores:








 

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I've been messing around with a Core M-5Y51 based tablet; the HP Elite X2 1011. The tablet has active cooling, so the thermals are very good. I haven't seen it hit over 60c on the CPU/GPU. Most of the time they stabilize around 52-53C.

I've also been doing some testing with gaming performance. It's nice to see that I'm not limited by high temperatures, but the 4.5w TDP limit is a killer for gaming.

The base clock of the 5-5Y51 is @ 1.1GHz and it can boost up to 2.6GHz. The HD 5300 GPU has a base clock of 300MHz and boosts up to 900MHz.

Playing SKYRIM @ 1366 x 768 @ Low settings

In-game testing- Actual clock speeds

CPU Core 1 & 2 - 700 - 800MHz
GPU Core - 350MHz

It would be kind of nice if I could unlock the TDP to 6w+, as the active cooling could potentially handle it.

I even made a video showing SKYRIM performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZaQy3-VpBg


Did a couple other games as well.

STALKER SOC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDg4t0TjCt0

SPINTIRES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xm4Osq-s9w

DOTA 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68VgymLWx8
 
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I'm assuming Anandtech knows that and is, you know, using the same browser.
I don't think iOS Safari is available on anything but iOS, and I don't think browsers other than Safari are good on iOS (due to run time code generation restrictions on iOS). So it's very unlikely the same browsers were used
 

dahorns

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I don't think iOS Safari is available on anything but iOS, and I don't think browsers other than Safari are good on iOS (due to run time code generation restrictions on iOS). So it's very unlikely the same browsers were used


Then take the best Air score (Safari?) and the best scores for the dell (either chrome or ie) and compare. It isn't close.
 
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