Intel Broadwell Thread

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Well unfortunately a "poor launch" would seem to indicate to me a product that is not quite living up to expectations. It is already late, and I dont know how long we can keep making excuses for the performance based on the platform. The chip is part of the platform, and its performance has to be evaluated in that context.

That said, I think too much criticism is being made about the performance of the low TDP parts, but I was hoping for more from the 15 watt ones. I mean that was supposed to be the point of Broadwell, much better performance per watt allowing all these super thin and light devices without sacrificing performance and giving better battery life.

That Dell XPS 13 sure looks sweet though, and the performance is probably "good enough" if the battery life is outstanding as it is claimed to be.

The XPS 13 does look fantastic, but I'm going to hold off until Skylake. Broadwell simply isn't worth it with Skylake just around the corner.
 

Dufus

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To me it looks like Broadwell-U HD5500 suffers from low clock speeds, means most of the IPC improvements are lost. It's either a energy consumption or temperature issue, or a combination of both.
From the testing I did on an i7-5500U the temperatures seem fine it's the power limiting that held it back. Then again HSW 15W chips had a similar experience. The BDW-U idle power is impressive though and maybe it's here that the big savings are made in power efficiency rather than at full tilt.

I think too much criticism is being made about the performance of the low TDP parts, but I was hoping for more from the 15 watt ones.
What sort of performance increase did you expect? Any particular benchmarks in mind?

Some of the posted tests seem a little off such as Tomshardware Cinebench 11.5 of the i7-5600U scoring 3.1 while the i7-5500U with lower clocks I tested scored 3.3.

Bear in mind with HSW mobile that the bigger quads can use power well in excess of their 47W SKU and run hot. Wonder if we will see the same for BDW quads.
 

alcoholbob

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So as I understand, the Broadwell U HD6100 is still slower than the HD4600 graphics processors in desktop Haswells? So even Broadwell U is too slow to run esports games like Dota 2 at 1080p until we get faster Broadwells.
 

AtenRa

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So as I understand, the Broadwell U HD6100 is still slower than the HD4600 graphics processors in desktop Haswells? So even Broadwell U is too slow to run esports games like Dota 2 at 1080p until we get faster Broadwells.

HD4600 Desktop can run DOTA 2 at 1080p. Even HD4000 is able to play DOTA 2 at 1080p with 30fps. But i have no idea if HD6100 at 15W TDP will be able to play DOTA 2 at 1080p.

 

mikk

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So as I understand, the Broadwell U HD6100 is still slower than the HD4600 graphics processors in desktop Haswells? So even Broadwell U is too slow to run esports games like Dota 2 at 1080p until we get faster Broadwells.


Do you have seen HD6100 benchmarks?
 

Enigmoid

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Do you have seen HD6100 benchmarks?

I've seen it somewhere (can't find where) that intel expects a +20% gain with GT3-U over GT2-U.

(IMO that seems rather tame for such a massive increase in die size but even GT2 is power limited)
 

mikk

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I've seen it somewhere (can't find where) that intel expects a +20% gain with GT3-U over GT2-U.


You should give a source then. HD6100 is coming for 28W SKUs. Quite a difference to 15W GT2 Broadwell-U.
 

Enigmoid

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You should give a source then. HD6100 is coming for 28W SKUs. Quite a difference to 15W GT2 Broadwell-U.

Here

http://techreport.com/news/27557/intel-broadwell-u-arrives-aboard-15w-28w-mobile-processors

Intel will denote this silicon with HD Graphics 6000 branding on 15W processors and Iris Graphics 6100 branding on 28W parts. Compared to the "baseline" HD Graphics 5500 offered in the smaller die, Intel says users can expect an increase in performance of up to 20% with the HD Graphics 6000 and up to 50% with the Iris Graphics 6100—and all without the use of on-package eDRAM. Only processors with Iris Pro graphics will have eDRAM, and Intel hasn't announced those yet.

100% BW-U GT2 15W
120% BW-U GT3 15W
150% BW-U GT3 28W

"Up to"
 

ShintaiDK

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Better is such a vague word. It could be faster, it could be IQ, it could more or less be anything.

Benchmark numbers is what we want
 

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Dell has added a Core M 5Y71 variant of their Dell Venue 8 pro 7140 to their website for $60 more than the 5Y10C version.


$699 - 5Y10C | 4 GB RAM | 64 GB SSD
$799 - 5Y10C | 4 GB RAM | 128 GB SSD
$859 - 5Y71 | 4 GB RAM | 128 GB SSD
$1099 - 5Y71 | 8 GB RAM | 256 GB SSD

Model | Base | Turbo | Base Graphics| Max Graphics
5Y10C | 800 MHz | 2 GHz | 300 MHz | 800 MHz
5Y71 | 1.2 GHz | 2.9 GHz | 300 MHz | 900 MHz
 
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Dasa2

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so broadwell nuc have x4 pci-e 2.0 m.2
any idea which chipset the pci-e lanes come from? as reviews on z97 suggest m.2 running from the southbridge pci-e lanes are significantly slower than those running from the cpu pci-e

also it would be nice if intel had ready some consumer m.2 x4 ssd for them at release that are not just 550mbs drives
 

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While Intel is about to move from BGA to a socketed unlocked Broadwell-K (48 EUs GT3e Iris Pro) AMD is backing out with the BGA-only Carrizo. Now that's kinda... unexpected?
 

Dufus

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Is it correct that for BDW U and Y only Core M-5Y70 with vPro supports TSX?

At least that seems to be what the errata implies!
 
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