Intel Broadwell Thread

[Arachnotronic]

I, er...how are they getting the system bill of materials low enough to make a $399 Core M system profitable?

Seems like somebody is making some concessions or product quality is going to seriously suffer.

 

[Nothingness]

I, er...how are they getting the system bill of materials low enough to make a $399 Core M system profitable?

Seems like somebody is making some concessions or product quality is going to seriously suffer.

That indeed looks very suspicious. End-user reviews are definitely needed...

 

[witeken]

For those who like Intel CFO talk about Intel stuff:

He described new Broadwell products as “phenomenal devices” and said upcoming Skylake products will offer all-day battery life and spectacular performance.

Not the first time SKL is being is being described with something like "I'm ecstatic about SKL performance". Maybe we'll get 10% IPC instead of 5% this time; 2X more than the usual improvement!

http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/36948-intel-eyes-chinese-smartphones-custom-cloud-chips

On another note, Intel's silicon photonics is delayed by some time...
http://fudzilla.com/36924-intel-delays-silicon-photonics-technology

 

[Nothingness]

Not the first time SKL is being is being described with something like "I'm ecstatic about SKL performance". Maybe we'll get 10% IPC instead of 5% this time; 2X more than the usual improvement!

I don't care about all-day battery life, I want a fast and affordable Skylake for my desktop :biggrin: Too bad I'm part of an endangered community...

 

[witeken]

I don't care about all-day battery life,

Read the last 2 words of the Stacy Smith quote.

 

[bullzz]

@Arachnotronic - I dont think windows license is included

 

[chonicle]

rumors from some Chinese site:
broadwell 5y10/70 test, 5y31/51/71 actual product
skylake the same.
skylake-y test out July and 20-30% improvement compared to 5y70 on yoga3pro.
cherrytail out April, igpu 10-15% improvement

Just rumors.

 

[witeken]

Doesn't sound credible. Cherry Trail is 2X as fast, according to Intel. It has 4X the amount of EUs and improved architecture...

 

[Shivansps]

That indeed looks very suspicious. End-user reviews are definitely needed...

Pipo, as well other Chinese oems are know to bring in cheap tablets, in fact Pipo has the W3F, a $190 "10.1 2-on-1 tablet with the Z3735F an a 1920x1200 IPS screen, USB3, etc...


Also, i dont think you can actually sell tablets with non activated versions of windows, and in any case, you can still use it whiout activate it.

 

[jdubs03]

Doesn't sound credible. Cherry Trail is 2X as fast, according to Intel. It has 4X the amount of EUs and improved architecture...

2x as fast? I'll believe it when I see it. My original expectation was 1.4x for competitiveness, I'm thinking 1.2x now. Certainly not 2x.

 

[mikk]

Yes 2x GPU. The prototype at gfxbench is already 2x roughly. 10-15% over Bay Trail is nonsense.

 

[jdubs03]

Oh alright, I kind of figured he was referring to GPU when he mentioned EUs and uarch...long day at work for me :\.

for the gpu i think y'all are right, it may even be stronger. i just hope they don't skimp on improving the cpu. if we don't see at least 1200 in geekbench, i'm going to be concerned, especially with exynos 7420 benching so well. intel needs to be above s810 levels on both cpu/gpu, after all that is the biggest competitor, as the exynos is specifically for the s6-variants.

 

[North01]

The base model for the Dell Venue 10 Pro 5000, under Dell's Education Solutions, will start at $329.99 (or $379.99 with the keyboard dock).

Base model specifications:

• 10.1" 1280x800 LCD display
• Windows 8.1 32-bit
• Intel Core M 5Y10c
• 2 GB LPDDR3-1600
• 64 GB SSD
• Full size USB 3.0|MicroSD | MicroHDMI | MicroUSB
• 5 MP rear / 1.2 MP front camera
• 2x2 802.11ac | Bluetooth 4.0
• 38 Wh battery | 722.6 g | 280x176x10.75 mm
• Optional active stylus ($32.95)

 

[Sweepr]

Only $330 for a 10'' Core M tablet? That's great value for the price and greatly undercuts Intel's $599 prediction for the cheapest Core M devices. Almost too good to be true.

If we have a $380 Core M 2-in-1 then ASUS will have to step up its game with T100's successor. Give me Cherry Trail-T, 1080p IPS screen and preferably 4GB RAM for <$350 + a Core M version for $400-500.

Edit: AnandTech's Jarred Walton confirmed it, it's Core M for $330.

Just confirmed and updated the text: $330 with 64GB storage and Core M is the starting point. Looking really nice to be honest, though I agree -- more than 2GB RAM would have sealed the deal.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The base model for the Dell Venue 10 Pro 5000, under Dell's Education Solutions, will start at $329.99 (or $379.99 with the keyboard dock).

Base model specifications:

• 10.1" 1280x800 LCD display
• Windows 8.1 32-bit
• Intel Core M 5Y10c
• 2 GB LPDDR3-1600
• 64 GB SSD
• Full size USB 3.0|MicroSD | MicroHDMI | MicroUSB
• 5 MP rear / 1.2 MP front camera
• 2x2 802.11ac | Bluetooth 4.0
• 38 Wh battery | 722.6 g | 280x176x10.75 mm
• Optional active stylus ($32.95)

Damn that's pretty good. A pity they couldn't bump the memory to 4 gb though.

 

[erunion]

tempting!

 

[Shivansps]

It cost the same as the Asus T100? wth...

 

[386user]

nice! i will be interested in buying

 

[erunion]

Consumer model will have 1080p option.

 

[Shivansps]

its educational, its gona sell to consumers?

btw its 2GB DC?

 

[Essence_of_War]

Ars Technica has their review of the Dell XPS 13:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/review-the-dell-xps-13-is-the-pc-laptop-to-beat/

 

[Sweepr]

3 new Broadwell-U notebook reviews by Notebookcheck:

Dell Latitude 12 E7250 Ultrabook Review

Compared to Haswell-U Dell Latitude E7240 Touch (Intel Core i5 4300U):

Battery Runtime:
-Idle
Dell Latitude 12 E7250 (Core i5 5300U): 14 hours 05 minutes (+36%)
Dell Latitude E7240 Touch (Core i5 4300U): 10 hours 21 minutes

-WiFi
Dell Latitude 12 E7250 (Core i5 5300U): 7 hours 26 minutes (+ ~50%)
Dell Latitude E7240 Touch (Core i5 4300U): 5 hours

-Load
Dell Latitude 12 E7250 (Core i5 5300U): 1 hours 43 minutes (+24%)
Dell Latitude E7240 Touch (Core i5 4300U): 1 hours 23 minutes

E7250 does have a slightly bigger battery (52 Wh vs 45 Wh) but the improvements exceed the difference. It's also up to 19% faster than HD4400 with single-channel RAM.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-12-E7250-Ultrabook-Review.135824.0.html

Acer Aspire V3-371 Notebook Review

The Cinebench R15 benchmark gives information about the computing performance of our comparison devices. Intel's Core i5-5200U surpasses the precursor by approximately 12% and even outperforms the performance of Intel's Core i5-4210U by 8%. The Broadwell CPU consistently clocked with the full Turbo rate of 2.7 GHz during the test. The new CPU is also impressive in battery mode since it accomplishes similar scores.

...Users who cannot use external power when on-the-go do not have to fear any losses. 3DMark 11 achieved an identical score of 1169 points in battery mode.

Using dual-channel RAM (H5500 vs HD4400):

-Bioshock Infinite - 1366x768 Medium Preset:

Acer Aspire V3-371-58DJ (Core i5 5200U): 24.2 FPS
Asus UX32LA-R3025H (Core i5 4200U): 17.9 FPS

- Tomb Raider - 1366x768 Normal Preset AA:FX AF:4x:

Acer Aspire V3-371-58DJ (Core i5 5200U): 30.4 FPS
Asus UX32LA-R3025H (Core i5 4200U): 23.3 FPS

HD5500 was 30-35% faster than HD4400.

www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-V3-371-Notebook-Review.135831.0.html

Acer Aspire E5-571G Notebook Review Update

www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-E5-571G-Notebook-Review-Update.136078.0.html

 

[dahorns]

Another T300 Chi score. http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/1902998

It is similar to the first on in this thread. It appears it wasn't a fluke.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This acer is mentioned in another thread, and i asked the same question. The base clocks are much higher, and supposed it maintains turbo longer, but the performance only improves 12 percent. This actually seems like a terrible result.

 

[dahorns]

This acer is mentioned in another thread, and i asked the same question. The base clocks are much higher, and supposed it maintains turbo longer, but the performance only improves 12 percent. This actually seems like a terrible result.

Because all those benchmarks we run are basically determined by max turbo. The turbo is the same between the two generations tested (5200U and 4210U). Therefore, the difference you see in the benchmarks is mainly any IPC improvement. That is my theory.