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tential

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I don't think Intel expects either of these parts to be high sellers Lepton. This is a stopgap to Skylake which is already here. No need to do much more with Broadwell.
 

Lepton87

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Skylake-E is still a ways out, a year? Mainstream Skylake is around the corner but it doesn't make sense to switch from the enthusiast platform to the newer mainstream platform it never did. But now as everything is getting better threading it is even more pointless.
 

Dufus

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It wouldn't be, unless the leakage current is significantly lower.

Perhaps the question should be "why does it need more voltage?"

Base clocks for i7-4700 - 3.4GHz, i7-5775R - 3.3GHz, i7-6700 - 3.4GHz. TDP has reduced but remember this is a thermal specification and not how much power the CPU can use. Lowering TDP would seem to indicate higher temperatures per Watt, i.e. under Intel's worse case scenario at the base frequency only 65W required to hit thermal specs.

Also seems there might be some problems producing chips with good voltage scaling for the higher frequencies over these newer generations (Skylake real performance yet to be seen).

What do you think?
 

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Hotter than Devil's Canyon and max OC seems to be 4.1-4.2.
That was to be expected with small(er) nodes & Intel not doing solder TIM on desktop parts (non HEDT) anymore, I expect Skylake to run even hotter but with better overclocking potential though not by much as TDP has also gone up to 95W.
 
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Interesting, but I would really like to see some tests of laptops with the mobile iris pro. The igpu results are all over the place, from 50% better than kaveri to about the same. Gaming results per clock with a discrete card actually look quite a bit better than haswell, probably the cache at work.

Like I said though, I really would like to see mobile results. It is a very niche application for desktop.
 

Sweepr

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http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/review/20150613_706785.html


Broadwell GT3e does much better in games. 3dmark pretty much on par with Kaveri but in all gaming benchmarks (not only in this review) easily faster than Kaveri.

Intel already got the best CPU+iGPU combination out there, something a lot of people told would never happen. Bristol Ridge (15% faster than Carrizo @ 3DMark 11) won't touch Skylake GT4e performance next year, if they really want to hurt AMD in the mainstream all they need is a LGA dual-core with GT3e at the right price. It should do fine against yet another 28nm rehash.

Looking at the review from pro-AMD website ComputerBase:
7 games tested at 1080p, Core i7 5775C was faster than Godavari 7870K in 6 of them and 22.2% faster overall. Compared to Kaveri 7850K it was faster in all games and 32.5% faster overall (integrated graphics).

Now here's the interesting part for dGPU users. It's faster than Core i7 4770K and a mere 1% slower than Core i7 4790K @ 1080p gaming tests using a dGPU, despite much lower clocks. That's Broadwell's IPC and eDRAM working in its favour.

Edit: They managed 4.1GHz with stock voltage and hit a wall at 4.3GHz. That's not bad, at ~4.2GHz it should match or beat most OCed Devil's Canyon out there.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Perhaps the question should be "why does it need more voltage?"

Base clocks for i7-4700 - 3.4GHz, i7-5775R - 3.3GHz, i7-6700 - 3.4GHz. TDP has reduced but remember this is a thermal specification and not how much power the CPU can use. Lowering TDP would seem to indicate higher temperatures per Watt, i.e. under Intel's worse case scenario at the base frequency only 65W required to hit thermal specs.

Also seems there might be some problems producing chips with good voltage scaling for the higher frequencies over these newer generations (Skylake real performance yet to be seen).

What do you think?

I think the process(es) they're rolling out continue to focus on efficiency - that is, low(er) power operation at the expense of clockspeed. 22nm and 14nm are aimed at mobile first. I had suspected that they might have done a second revision of their 14nm process for desktop chips (hence the excellent overclocking results from HKEPC), but now we have two less-than-stellar samples sighted in the wilds that show the original theories may be more correct. HKEPC probably has a golden chip.
 
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So the igpu is about twice as fast as GT2, and has 2.4 times the shaders. I wonder how the performance would scale without the edram.

The problem is, they didnt test any really demanding games. And even then two of the games they did test were barely playable at 1080p. Too bad they didnt test a few low end dgpus like HD7770, GTX750/750Ti, or whatever the rebranded 7790 is. That way we could have seen how it stacks up against low end cards.

So in the end, you are left with the same problem as AMD's apus: marginal performance at 1080p that can easily be beaten by a relatively low end discrete card. The comparison is even worse because the chip costs more than Kaveri, but you do get much better cpu performance, so that at least partly makes up for the cost differential.
 

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Now here's the interesting part for dGPU users. It's faster than Core i7 4770K and a mere 1% slower than Core i7 4790K @ 1080p gaming tests using a dGPU, despite much lower clocks. That's Broadwell's IPC and eDRAM working in its favour.

Comes down to pricing, though. If that extra eDRAM drives up the price significantly (as it looks like right now), the 4790K is still going to be preferred.
 

ShintaiDK

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IfI recall right the production cost for the eDRAM is 3$. So even with a 100% margin on that part its not a problem to integrate it everywhere financially. There are other challenges related tho. But i think we will soonish see eDRAM being the defacto standard until stacked memory takes over for good in the consumer space.
 
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IfI recall right the production cost for the eDRAM is 3$. So even with a 100% margin on that part its not a problem to integrate it everywhere financially. There are other challenges related tho. But i think we will soonish see eDRAM being the defacto standard until stacked memory takes over for good in the consumer space.

I would love to see edram and at least gt3e or gt4e standard across the entire mobile big core lineup. On the desktop, I dont really care. I know you disagree Shintai, but I think it will be many years before igpus compete with dgpus on the desktop. Yes skylake gt4e my be a 50% improvement (yet to be seen, BTW), but there are 14nm dgpus coming as well, which should give a huge boost to both performance and efficiency, so yes it is improving, but shooting at a moving target.
 

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edram desktop parts are just mobile edram parts that are clocked higher

gt3e/gt4e are just the next steps in pushing dGPUs out of mobile. i really want intel to push edram gpu performance by 30/40% each year so 1080p gaming in ultrabooks becomes mainstream
 

ShintaiDK

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I would love to see edram and at least gt3e or gt4e standard across the entire mobile big core lineup. On the desktop, I dont really care. I know you disagree Shintai, but I think it will be many years before igpus compete with dgpus on the desktop. Yes skylake gt4e my be a 50% improvement (yet to be seen, BTW), but there are 14nm dgpus coming as well, which should give a huge boost to both performance and efficiency, so yes it is improving, but shooting at a moving target.

If dGPU share keeps shrinking at the current rate, then 14nm dGPUs will be the last dGPUs you ever see.

Thats why I keep saying the IGP doesnt need to beat the dGPU to win. It just need to remove the ROI from dGPUs.
 
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If dGPU share keeps shrinking at the current rate, then 14nm dGPUs will be the last dGPUs you ever see.

Thats why I keep saying the IGP doesnt need to beat the dGPU to win. It just need to remove the ROI from dGPUs.

Perhaps, but the prices of workstation gpus are astronomical and the users will pay even move if they have to because their work depends on it. So there will still be funds and motivation to pay for development of dgpus.
 

ShintaiDK

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Perhaps, but the prices of workstation gpus are astronomical and the users will pay even move if they have to because their work depends on it. So there will still be funds and motivation to pay for development of dgpus.

That entire market is 4 million units a year and shrinking slightly as well.

Imagine what price you would have to pay. Its just not going to work.

dGPU shipments decreased 19.41% YoY in Q1. And only 11.3 million units was sold.
 
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Sweepr

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So the igpu is about twice as fast as GT2, and has 2.4 times the shaders. I wonder how the performance would scale without the edram.

I was actually impressed that it was 2.16x as fast as Haswell GT2 @ ComputerBase.
GT3 and GT4 absolutely need the eDRAM (just look at HD 6000 vs HD 6100).
I'm curious to see the performance of the GT3e Skylake-U SKU, how much of 47-65W Haswell/Broadwell Iris Pro performance it will be able to deliver at 15-25W TDP. The improvement from Broadwell-U's HD 5500/HD 6000 should be fairly substantial.
 

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Maximum PC review.

Board number two behaved much more reasonably, particularly at stock settings. All of the benchmarks completed, and while performance in some cases was lower than board one, that was thanks to the CPU using the correct clock speeds. Then we tried overclocking and ran into problems again. We’ve seen reports of people hitting anywhere from 4.4–4.8GHz with Broadwell samples, but our CPU doesn’t want to go much beyond 4.2GHz. We were able to hit that on all four cores at 1.36V, which represents a respectable 14–27 percent overclock, but 1.4V at 4.3GHz proved unstable, so we stopped there. 4.2GHz also matches nicely with our 4790K clocks, which range from 4.0–4.4 GHz but generally run around 4.2GHz.
 
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