Intel Broadwell Thread

[ShintaiDK]

You can? In the US? Though you just said you couldn't.

I dont care what you can or cant buy in the US. I can buy both Broadwell-C models in the 100s here in Denmark at every retailer.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I dont care what you can or cant buy in the US. I can buy both Broadwell-C models in the 100s here in Denmark at every retailer.

Ok, great. Denmark is the epicenter of global semiconductor sales...

 

[Arachnotronic]

You can? In the US? Though you just said you couldn't.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227618&cm_re=NE410C-_-83-227-618-_-Product

 

[Arachnotronic]

I dont care what you can or cant buy in the US. I can buy both Broadwell-C models in the 100s here in Denmark at every retailer.

Seriously? That's interesting.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Seriously? That's interesting.

Yep. They are all over Europe and Asia.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Ok, great. Denmark is the epicenter of global semiconductor sales...

The global epicenter is China. And its also avaliable there.

But again, someone already showed you that you can get one in the US.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Ok, great. So the limited desktop Broadwell SKUs are available a few weeks before desktop Skylake... woah!

 

[Arachnotronic]

Ok, great. So the limited desktop Broadwell SKUs are available a few weeks before desktop Skylake... woah!

Honestly, most desktop users would be better served by Skylake than with Broadwell-C.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Honestly, most desktop users would be better served by Skylake than with Broadwell-C.

Sure, but I still find it funny that desktop Broadwell is released just weeks before desktop Skylake. They could just as well have skipped Broadwell-C, or made a Skylake-C SKU and released it at the same time as the other desktop Skylake SKUs. But they didn't. Weird times.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its ~2 months and Broadwell-C got a different target. But I am sure you already knew.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Its ~2 months and Broadwell-C got a different target. But I am sure you already knew.

Yes I know that. But as things have turned out it would have made more sense to skip Broadwell-C and release a Skylake-C at the same time as the rest of the desktop Skylake SKUs.

I guess the reason is that Broadwell-C/K originally was intended for a much earlier release. But due to the Broadwell 14 nm delays it kept being pushed forward all the way up this close to the desktop Skylake release.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yes I know that. But as things have turned out it would have made more sense to skip Broadwell-C and release a Skylake-C at the same time as the rest of the desktop Skylake SKUs.

I guess the reason is that Broadwell-C/K originally was intended for a much earlier release. But due to the Broadwell 14 nm delays it kept being pushed forward all the way up this close to the desktop Skylake release.

Do you even believe what you post yourself? Skylake/Kabylake-C comes in a year. Thats no news.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Do you even believe what you post yourself? Skylake/Kabylake-C comes in a year. Thats no news.

Yes of course, now that they've released Broadwell-C this late, they have to follow up with Skylake-C one year later too. Everything gets pushed forward.

Do you really think Intel originally intended desktop Broadwell to be released this late?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yes of course, now that they've released Broadwell-C this late, they have to follow up with Skylake-C one year later too. Everything gets pushed forward.

Do you really think Intel originally intended desktop Broadwell to be released this late?

Feel free to prove otherwise. Else you are just guessing.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Feel free to prove otherwise. Else you are just guessing.

Are you suggesting, given that all that we collectively know, that Broadwell-C is somehow NOT late???

LOL.

 

[nenforcer]

I think its fairly ovbious, given the lack of marketing push, that Broadwell at this point is just an afterthought for Intel.

I suspect that all of their marketing push is going to go towards Skylake in a couple of weeks and the back to school season is just going to be for Skylake & DDR4.

Outside of iBuyPower, I don't think there is a single Top Tier OEM like Lenovo, HP or Dell selling Broadwell systems here in the US.

They are really limiting Broadwell sales if the chip comes out as the exact same time as Skywell does or only a few days before.

 

[richierich1212]

Looks like ShopBLT's ETA for the 5775C & 5675C is November 7:
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop...110030005034_BZY0557P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!

 

[jpiniero]

Skylake yes, DDR4 no. Have to figure most OEM systems will be DDR3L. They can phase in DDR4 once the prices get comparable.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Sure, but I still find it funny that desktop Broadwell is released just weeks before desktop Skylake. They could just as well have skipped Broadwell-C, or made a Skylake-C SKU and released it at the same time as the other desktop Skylake SKUs. But they didn't. Weird times.

They somehow justified to themselves putting an iGPU that's worth about $60 and charging $380 on it could sell in parallel with a next generation, new uarch CPU that probably costs less.

An extremely small market considering:
1. Skylake is far better as a CPU
2. You can pair a far better GPU by buying a lower chip
3. Really only for HTPC users that need Core level performance and some level of 3D graphics and with a case small enough that they can't fit in a video card
4. You still have to wait for few weeks to get your hands on it

 

[lowmotion]

An extremely small market considering:
1. Skylake is far better as a CPU

"far" = 5% in front of haswell. Without eDRAM broadwell will be faster.

2. You can pair a far better GPU by buying a lower chip

With broadwell too

3. Really only for HTPC users that need Core level performance and some level of 3D graphics and with a case small enough that they can't fit in a video card

We are still waiting for a famous anandtech-broadwell-HTPC Test

4. You still have to wait for few weeks to get your hands on it

[/QUOTE]

At the moment there is a small chance that broadwell will be better than skylake with final bios versions. Broadwell is still alpha status.



.... and we are waiting for anandtech vs broadwell part 2.

 

[Sweepr]

Higher power use with the i7-5775C, but much better performance and efficiency.

Not too shabby for Gen 8.

www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-5775c-linux&num=3

With Gen 9 right around the corner it's clear that Intel is improving their graphics performance per watt. I know this fact might hurt some people's feelings but it's true.

 

[IntelUser2000]

With broadwell too

While still paying more since it has the inherent cost of the eDRAM + GT3e.

With Gen 9 right around the corner it's clear that Intel is improving their graphics performance per watt. I know this fact might hurt some people's feelings but it's true.

Average power difference is 29W and max is 43W. If you assume 5775C is using maximum 65W then you're looking at the 4790K to be anywhere from 22W to 36W. The latter looks likely.

Using system power consumption inflates the advantage of perf/watt, because the difference is less in terms of percentages. 65W to 36W, not so much anymore. Also remember how there's still CPU using power and its quite likely to be pretty low for the HD4600, maybe in the 10-15W range. With the 5775C it requires additional 29W to operate the eDRAM + GT3e. It doesn't look so good does it?

http://pclab.pl/art64766-8.html

PCLab tests show that GTX 750 is often 50% faster, while system power consumption is barely higher in terms of percentages. While Witcher 3 may be an outlier even with Farcry 4 you see GTX 750 only using 8W more.

What's probably happening is that where Phoronix shows the 5775C to be at TDP limits using the GT3e, the HD4600 is way under its TDP because of its anemic GPU and CPU being a bottleneck(therefore using not much power). The differences are utilized pretty well by the GTX 750, which is why despite being 50% faster, it barely uses more power.

People think:
-Discrete card power consumption: 88W 4790K + Discrete power use
-Integrated Iris Pro 6200 power use: 65W

Reality:
-Discrete card power consumption: Power consumption of CPU at lower frequency levels(which for the 4790K might be 35W based on Phoronix review) + Discrete power use
-Integrated Iris Pro 6200 power use: 65W

Perhaps the question is why more reviewers aren't doing more perf/watt comparisons with efficient discrete parts like GTX 750.

 

[richierich1212]

ShopBLT doesn't show any ETA for the 5775C nor 5675C anymore. Is Intel just going to not release these desktop CPUs into the retail channel?

 

[meson2000]

That is what it is looking like to me. I think Intel is only going to release these Broadwell C CPUs to system builders in the USA and that is it. The CPU's were announced and reviewed June 2nd and here we are at the end of July and they still aren't available anywhere except in a few pre-built systems in the USA. I think Intel is just planning to hold back releasing boxed versions of these CPUs and just waiting to release skylake in the states. I have already started looking for alternatives to the broadwell CPUs...

 

[Absolute0]

I've been using broadwell in laptop since June. But yes desktop very limited. I would speculate that the 14nm capacity is mostly geared towards Skylake.