Intel Broadwell Thread

[zir_blazer]

but Newegg has a quad core Xeon-D model for $489.

Remember that they are SoCs, so the Processor and Motherboard are an inseparable pair. The Processor usefulness relies on the features of the Motherboard that it was paired with. Chances are that Pentium D Motherboards will be much more limited in features than the bigger Xeon D ones.

I don't know if its possible to do a more consumer-oriented product based on the Xeon D platform. Since you have no IGP (Unless you count an IPMI BMC), at the very least you need a Video Card, and a Sound Card, through the Video Card can do that role if you're using HDMI output.
The two main issues is that it is much more expensive than your traditional Desktop, and these Xeons D Frequency is rather low. But it could be a rather interesing mITX alternative system, or better yet, a homebrew Router, since the SoC 10 GBps NICs would do wonderful for such purpose. They could also be interesing for a home cloud...

 

[ShintaiDK]

I feel its a bit of a shame they dont have a tiny IGP with 2-4 EUs or whatever is the lowest possible and no decode block. We can see Supermicro etc have to add 3rd party anyway.

 

[zir_blazer]

Technically they don't need such an IGP at all since the Xeon D purpose is totally Server. That usually mandates for a BMC anyways for remote management, which always provide its own archaic 2D GPU, that is enough for console task. You will see exactly the same with Server oriented Xeon E3 Motherboards, they nearly universally use the Xeons E3 models with no IGP plus a BMC with IPMI for remote management. Xeon D is functionally identical to that.
Supermicro has many of such Xeon E3 Server Motherboards, I think all with C232 and C234 Chipsets falls into that category since they can't use the Processor IGP anyways. C236 based X11SAE and X11SAT do have IGP capabitilies, and they also have variants with a BMC for IPMI too, X11SAE-F and X11SAT-F, all which are considered Workstation class.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Oh I know, I just wonder if the possible sales wouldn't be that bigger to offset the tiny IGP cost for those that wont run it in console mode. It would expand the usage case quite significantly. Tho perhaps not much revenue wise.

 

[tenks]

18core Broadwell-EP ES on sale at ebay for $999.

A0 stepping, seller says drop in compatible with certain x99 boards...wow!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/351652679189?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT


I wish Intel would sell their 18cores at $999

 

[jpiniero]

I don't know if its possible to do a more consumer-oriented product based on the Xeon D platform.

That's what Cannonlake mainstream looks like it's going to be. Think of the Broadwell Xeon-D as a proof of concept.

 

[Arachnotronic]

18core Broadwell-EP ES on sale at ebay for $999.

A0 stepping, seller says drop in compatible with certain x99 boards...wow!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/351652679189?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT


I wish Intel would sell their 18cores at $999

A0 silicon? Probably buggy as hell.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That's what Cannonlake mainstream looks like it's going to be. Think of the Broadwell Xeon-D as a proof of concept.

Um so you think single thread performance regression is what this market wants? Lol.

 

[ShintaiDK]

A0 silicon? Probably buggy as hell.

Not to mention illegal.

 

[tenks]

A0 silicon? Probably buggy as hell.

He's claiming it's stable and has provided screenshots of benchmarks. But who knows

 

[jpiniero]

Um so you think single thread performance regression is what this market wants?

Of course. I think Core phones, compute sticks that don't throttle and quad core ultrabooks would be pretty compelling to people. We'll see if they can deliver.

For people who want high ST performance, there's always the E line.

 

[CHADBOGA]

He's claiming it's stable and has provided screenshots of benchmarks. But who knows

What stable enough to do a run through of Cinebench?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Of course. I think Core phones, compute sticks that don't throttle and quad core ultrabooks would be pretty compelling to people. We'll see if they can deliver.

For people who want high ST performance, there's always the E line.

I think your view of the requirements of this market is incorrect.

 

[jpiniero]

I think your view of the requirements of this market is incorrect.

What market are you talking about anyway?

 

[Arachnotronic]

What market are you talking about anyway?

Client PCs. Traditional desktops, all-in-one desktops, Ultrabooks, and portable workstations.

 

[Unoid]

Remember that they are SoCs, so the Processor and Motherboard are an inseparable pair. The Processor usefulness relies on the features of the Motherboard that it was paired with. Chances are that Pentium D Motherboards will be much more limited in features than the bigger Xeon D ones.

I don't know if its possible to do a more consumer-oriented product based on the Xeon D platform. Since you have no IGP (Unless you count an IPMI BMC), at the very least you need a Video Card, and a Sound Card, through the Video Card can do that role if you're using HDMI output.
The two main issues is that it is much more expensive than your traditional Desktop, and these Xeons D Frequency is rather low. But it could be a rather interesing mITX alternative system, or better yet, a homebrew Router, since the SoC 10 GBps NICs would do wonderful for such purpose. They could also be interesing for a home cloud...

I'm considering a Xeon D 1520 build for a Home VPS/NAS box. I am extemely impressed with the XEON D family. I don't know how intel crams 8 and even more cores into sub 45watt TDP. The Dual 10Gbit LAN is awesome future proofing.

I just heard that there's a 45watt 16 core version.

 

[Sweepr]

 

[Sweepr]

Full Xeon E5-26XX v4 (Broadwell-EP) Specs @ page 97.

For the most part, Broadwell-EP products will be upgraded with 2 or 4 extra cores and have an extra 5MB or 10 MB L3 cache, however CPUs' clock rates will be reduced to keep power consumption on the same level as previous generation of Xeon E5s. The only exceptions to this are frequency-optimized E5-2637 v4, E5-2643 v4 and E5-2667 v4 models, and entry-level E5-2603 v4. Memory data rate will be increased by 266 MHz on all SKUs.

www.cpu-world.com/news_2016/2016021501_Specifications_of_Xeon_E5-2600_v4_processors.html

 

[ShintaiDK]

The 2690 is one of the most used VM CPUs. +2 cores and faster memory is quite nice, tho one could have wished for more. But uncore is what uncore is.

 

[Sweepr]

I know it's two completely different product lines, but it's still impressive how Broadwell-DE (Xeon-D) packs more cores in a lower-TDP. That 45W 16C/32T is insane, likely >20% better MT performance than Core i7-6700K.

Makes me confident a hyphothetical 95W 8C/16T 65-95W Cannonlake-S could sustain >3GHz clockspeeds.

 

[cbn]

New single-thread performance king and highest clocked x86 CPU in town (stock):

Xeon E5-2602 v4, Broadwell-EP, 4C/8T, 5.1GHz (default clock), 10MB L3, 165W TDP

Before you get too excited, this is an OEM-only server chip. Still, nice to see Intel is able to push these clocks at 14nm if they want to.

If they can make that chip, then certainly they could make something at a lower (but still high) clock for X99 enthusiasts.

This especially when starting off with a 10C die (re: Getting four fast cores out of ten should be easier than getting four fast cores out of a native quad die)

 

[Dufus]

Some benchmarks for Xeon D-1587 16C/32T 65W TDP.

 

[Sweepr]

Xeon D-1587 Benchmarks - 16C/32T @ 1.7GHz (65W TDP)

Little beast:

More here: www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-d-1587-benchmarks-16-core-xeon-d-is-here

A 16C @ 45 W is a bit of a surprise. They had to cut the clock speed by so much, it'd be faster than the 8C @ 2.1 but only so much. Is that worth paying 2.5x for the chip? The answer is... well kinda. That's classic Intel for you.

I'm guessing the 65W is 1.6 Ghz.

Really close. It's a 1.7GHz chip.

The Intel Xeon D-1587 is a 16 core 32 thread processor with 24MB L3 cache. Base frequencies are ~1.7GHz which are a big reason for the 65w TDP part. What you are about to see is nothing short of a complete low-end SoC revolution.

 

[Nothingness]

As I wrote in the other thread about Xeon D, the benchmark selection is really poor, even worse than Geekbench. For a site that is supposed to benchmark server HW running dhrystone is silly. And they definitely should spend a few hundreds bucks and get SPEC, that'd increase their credibility.

 

[Sweepr]

Full Xeon D Lineup (February 2016)

The Intel Xeon E5-2670 V1 has a TDP of 115W and two have a combined 230W TDP, not including the PCH and a dual 10GbE MAC that the Xeon D has. There is certainly more to this picture as you will see in our full benchmarks but the general theme is that if you can take advantage of the cores, you can use 1/4 the power of Sandy Bridge-EP If you are using a compute optimized AWS c4.4xlarge instance: you will be able to purchase the Intel Xeon D-1587 system for about the same price as the “Partial Upfront” up front AWS fee, then colocate the box saving over $1500/ year per instance while getting better performance. We do have the Xeon D-1587 installed in the datacenter so we can confirm this from a power perspective

The low-end of the Intel Xeon E5 V3 range is now in danger. With dual socket systems there is a higher motherboard manufacturing cost. The Intel Xeon D design moves the PCH and 10GbE MAC onto the package so building a low-end dual E5 V3 system will only make sense if you need higher clock speeds or more than 128GB of RAM. That is a relatively small portion of the market (e.g. 5-10%) but given how quietly these were launched, the threat is present. We do expect pricing to reflect the desire to protect the Xeon E5 line.

If you were excited about the AMD Opteron A1100, that excitement should have just waned to a significant degree. We wrote about this in our AMD Opteron A1100 release editorial, but there is a clear reason we are seeing such low interest in the Opteron A1100 series

The rest of the ARM world now has a much higher hurdle to clear. Intel just added a lot more CPU in the 45W TDP, added more clock speed in a 65W TDP and pushed power lower with some of the 35W TDP parts we have tested recently.

128GB is now starting to become a limitation. With 16 cores that is only 8GB/ core

www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-d-12-and-16-core-parts-launched-first-benchmarks