Intel Broadwell Thread

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Last time I looked rice/beans/ramen are ULTRA cheap. No reason to eat out of a trash can with that kind of fine cuisine available.

Ramen is wonderful and cheap, especially in cup form. I used to buy it in massive bulk as a poor college student, great use of meal card points. Microwave up some water, pour it in the cup, and boom..you've got a stew going!

My other equally broke friends at the time invested in a rice cooker & massive amounts of rice (it is dirt cheap), great stuff.
 

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Dudes and dudettes, the Xeon E5 2687w v4 -- a 12 core/24 thread Broadwell-EP that runs at 3GHz base/3.5GHz turbo -- sells for $2100.

There is no way a 10 core Broadwell-E at 3GHz base/3.5Ghz turbo is going to sell for the same price or higher. This will be a $1500 chip.

Nice to see that they are ready to launch a 12C/24T at HEDT clockspeeds in case they need. Intel has a lot of room for improvement in case the competition surprises us, including higher core count at mainstream/enthusiast segments and new eDRAM SKUs. 2017 will be exciting.
 

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Interesting in this context is that Apple apparently is releasing something for WWDC with Xeon, and FCPX. People who were at FCPExchange report that there was presentation held by Apple, and before they would attend it they would have to sign huge list of NDA's.

This can only be a new Mac Pro. That's the only Apple product that uses a Xeon as far as I can tell, and Final Cut Pro X was used as the showcase application for the last Mac Pro release (it was one of the few apps that could make full use of the dual GPUs).

With the existing Mac Pro now three years old and 14nm GPUs finally close to market, it's about time for a refresh. I'm seriously considering one to replace my pre-built system; Broadwell-E plus two decent GPUs (probably Polaris 10) should be good enough to last for quite some time.
 

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I'm expecting retail availability before Computex by now. So who's upgrading to Broadwell-E and what's your motherboard?
 

Aristotelian

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I'm expecting retail availability before Computex by now. So who's upgrading to Broadwell-E and what's your motherboard?

I'm building an entirely new watercooled machine, and I really want to get an Asus X99-e WS 3.1 but: (i) Asus did not put out a bios for it yet (for Broadwell-E) and (ii) the memory compatibility list is woefully outdated. I'm a bit stuck on the motherboard, and am hoping that Asus and others put out refreshes for Broadwell-E, hopefully with better DDR4 compatibility.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I'm expecting retail availability before Computex by now. So who's upgrading to Broadwell-E and what's your motherboard?

I did plan to upgrade to Broadwell-E from the rig in my signature, but I think I'm going to wait for the next HEDT platform instead. My current rig has plenty of life left.
 

NTMBK

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This can only be a new Mac Pro. That's the only Apple product that uses a Xeon as far as I can tell, and Final Cut Pro X was used as the showcase application for the last Mac Pro release (it was one of the few apps that could make full use of the dual GPUs).

There are now "mobile Xeon" parts- we might see one of those in the new Macbook Pro.
 

moonbogg

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I did plan to upgrade to Broadwell-E from the rig in my signature, but I think I'm going to wait for the next HEDT platform instead. My current rig has plenty of life left.

Yeah it does. If the 2600K were released today, people would be like, "OMG look how fast it is! Amazing! 4.5+Ghz for everyone!"
They compare it to skylake, but so what? 2600K will still WRECK any game or consumer APP out there and for the unoptimized crap games that can only manage to use a single thread or two, then skylake is about 25% faster, which still doesn't amount to enough FPS IMO for those garbage games if they are running that bad in the first place.
If you need a brand new skylake CPU with 4.8ghz OC to manage 65fps out of your game, then your game is a complete POS.

That said, my eyes are set for Skylake-E as being the legit platform for non Haswell-E people.
 

RussianSensation

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I'm expecting retail availability before Computex by now. So who's upgrading to Broadwell-E and what's your motherboard?


Asrock X99X Killer
and most likely fill it with Polaris 10s or discounted 390s. Crypto-currency makes upgrading the workstation more fun. This way I get to tell myself I bought a $400 CPU to make $, even though it's inferior for games than a 4-core i7 6700K. And then next year, it's outdated again with SLK-E and that's outdated again by Icelake for games in 2018. Oh Intel, our wallets love you.

If you need a brand new skylake CPU with 4.8ghz OC to manage 65fps out of your game, then your game is a complete POS.

Some games are just very CPU intensive. I don't think if a modern game scales well with IPC/more modern CPU it's a POS moon.

http://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/te...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,12

http://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/te...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,13

http://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/te...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,14

http://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/te...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,15

http://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/te...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,18

Wouldn't you want modern PC games to actually scale with newer CPU architectures/faster IPC? That rewards upgrading. If gaming is absolutely #1 priority over all else, 4.8Ghz i7 6700K will beat any BW-E.

A $150 Z170 board can do PCIe 3.0 x4 RAID > 3000MB/sec + house Big Pascal SLI/Vega 10 CF.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...gigabyte_z170_gaming_3-_-13-128-837-_-Product

Higher end Z170 boards are getting insanely good.




http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170 Extreme7+/

Even extra PCIe lanes are not even selling features of X99 anymore unless going 3-4 SLI + 2-3 PCIe NVMe SSDs.

That said, my eyes are set for Skylake-E as being the legit platform for non Haswell-E people.

Ya and by the time SLK-E is out, i7 6700K will be almost 2 years old and we'll be just a year or so away from Intel's next major Icelake architecture in 2H 2018. That's why Intel's X99 vs. Z170 strategy pisses me off. Chances are 10-12 core 2017 SKL-E won't overclock much better than i7 6700K. That's an opportunity cost of nearly 2 years of waiting to get "99% identical gaming performance." Thanks Intel. :sneaky:

Maybe Intel wants us to build 2 systems in 1 case: 1x 10 core workstation and 1 gaming system.

Phanteks is on to something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FNKVJM5aFQ

And of course Asrock has the 18-core X99 miniITX covered:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...588&cm_re=x99_mini_itx-_-13-157-588-_-Product
 
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tenks

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I'm expecting retail availability before Computex by now. So who's upgrading to Broadwell-E and what's your motherboard?

Me! Help me?

I fought off the temptation for a x79+e5-2670 v1 for this...

Im waiting for the refreshed x99 boards to show themselves before I make a decision but I'm looking at the Asus X99-A usb 3.1..Thoughts?
 

Glo.

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I'm expecting retail availability before Computex by now. So who's upgrading to Broadwell-E and what's your motherboard?

If Apple will release new Mac Pro with Broadwell Xeon E5v4 and either Polaris or Fury class GPU - I'm buying it .
 

moonbogg

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Ya and by the time SLK-E is out, i7 6700K will be almost 2 years old and we'll be just a year or so away from Intel's next major Icelake architecture in 2H 2018. That's why Intel's X99 vs. Z170 strategy pisses me off. Chances are 10-12 core 2017 SKL-E won't overclock much better than i7 6700K. That's an opportunity cost of nearly 2 years of waiting to get "99% identical gaming performance." Thanks Intel. :sneaky:

It pisses me off too. I would like to have the latest architecture with the highest end platform and core count for the best of both worlds. They are making us literally choose between the two or buy two rigs.
Regarding the game scaling, my point was I wish all games scaled better with core count and for the games that use more than 2 cores, Sandy i7's are still very potent and can easily feed two high end cards. If the game uses 1 or 2 cores then Skylake pulls way ahead but I feel modern games should do better than that regarding multi core use.
Most of that depends on GPU head room. For most people a 2600K OC is still plenty of CPU for any game.
Finally, I am just very curious about how well Broadwell-E OCs. I love reading a good review over a cup of coffee.
 
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moonbogg, like you I am anxious to see how the new consumer King of big core processors, the Broadwell E 6950x, OCs. Sitting on my "measily" 5960x at 4.4 I will be relegated to a second class status!

Seriously, I hope they do make significant improvement, but my gut says Intel is focused on the Skylake 6700k so Broadwell E will be a blip on the radar.

When I built my Devil's Canyon rig, I did it because my 3770k's mb failed and Skylake was a few months out. I was able to re use the DDR3 2400 ram so my upfront $$ was less than waiting for the 6700k.

I've decided to focus my efforts on GPU upgrades this cycle and will ride my Haswell E and Haswell cpus out another cycle.
 
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moonbogg

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moonbogg, like you I am anxious to see how the new consumer King of big core processors, the Broadwell E 6950x, OCs. Sitting on my "measily" 5960x at 4.4 I will be relegated to a second class status!

Seriously, I hope they do make significant improvement, but my gut says Intel is focused on the Skylake 6700k so Broadwell E will be a blip on the radar.

When I built my Devil's Canyon rig, I did it because my 3770k's mb failed and Skylake was a few months out. I was able to re use the DDR3 2400 ram so my upfront $$ was less than waiting for the 6700k.

I've decided to focus my efforts on GPU upgrades this cycle and will ride my Haswell E and Haswell cpus out another cycle.

Sounds good! And yes, sadly you will soon become a second class citizen. How do you think I feel? Having a CPU as old as mine puts me on the same level as a stray cat or something. I lost my rights to be human sometime after Ivy bridge.
 

ShintaiDK

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Sounds good! And yes, sadly you will soon become a second class citizen. How do you think I feel? Having a CPU as old as mine puts me on the same level as a stray cat or something. I lost my rights to be human sometime after Ivy bridge.

Where is my 14nm monocle so I can decipher this proletarian 22nm. :biggrin:
 

guskline

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6950x=14nm;5960x=22nm; 3930k=32nm

10 cores; 8 cores; 6 cores
 
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Is the Opteron part not launching at the same time as Zen CPU? I assumed it would just be an MCM, like past parts.

Negative. Summit Ridge is expected to arrive late 2016, but AMD is very clear that the server grade chips won't sample until this quarter (Q2) and won't be in shipping systems until 2017.
 
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