Intel C2D E6750 and E6850 CPU's hitting the market early

[fredhe12]

And from what I've seen on some other forums, store owners are going to do just that. I doubt we'll seen any that low, at least initially.

 

[Wedge1]

Originally posted by: dirtrat
I remember people saying my dual core 4800 would be the better buy when it first came out but the fact remains most software doesn't utilize muli-cores. In the future, Sure but when? Most video cards will scale better with a higher clock speed versus 4 cores instead of 2. The E6850 IMHO will be a better CPU for most gamers, In this case software is WAY BEHIND hardware. Quad core will be good for certain applications but everyone will have to decide which one will benefit them the most! Like you said just my 2 cents.

Believe it or not, I think you just agreed with what I was saying.

If you are a person who wants the fastest HERE and NOW (and especially if you are a gamer), the higher clock potential of the conroe dual core is the choice. That's what a lot of people reading this thread are interested in - gaming or intensive calculating (i.e. as much power as the dollar can buy).

But there are a few who actually make this decision with a longer time frame in mind than that of the 6 - 12 month cycle with which the processor technology seems to improve. These people are more interested in a balance of high clock speed and long-term scalability. These people may or may not be gamers, but they are certainly people who don't plan on upgrading for some time (~2 years or more maybe?). I'm a casual gamer so I guess I fit this profile more than the other. 80% of my time at the PC is spent not gaming.

As for the fact that most software doesn't use multi-core, nobody would argue that point. But things will change graduallyl. Even applications that seemingly don't need more than one core will eventually be multi-threaded. The reason is that it makes for good marketing when a company can encourage you to upgrade because the newest version utilizes multiple cores. Never forget that the software and hardware industries will always hold hands because that's the only way each can thrive. And this is certainly evident in the gaming world. Remember the significant refresh in video cards from both companies when Doom 3 came out? The timing was not coincidental. It will take time, but we are heading into an era of multi-threaded software - this applies to both games and productivity applications.

 

[jlin101]

Nine months ago I paid over $300 for an E6600 (2.4ghz) and immediately increased the FSB to 1333 (3 ghz), turning it into the equivalent of the upcoming E6850 (many people o/c even higher). Compared to my previous rig with a single-core A64 3500(o/c'ed to 2.75 ghz) the dual-core E6600 was a speeding bullet, esp. for encoding videos. Now fast forward to July 07, for less than the same money, I can get a quad-core Q6600 and probably o/c it to the same 3 ghz. Yes, avid gamers demand the fastest clock, but many articles have clearly shown that in real world gaming, the performance is most affected by the video card, not the CPU. The CPU only has a major role at the lowest resolutions, which any serious gamer would not use. Even the overall 3dmark scores don't change that much between, say, 3.0 ghz and 3.6 ghz. Not too many people can o/c C2D's to over 4 ghz without some expensive, monstrous cooling solution. If you plan to run the cpu at stock speed, then the 3 ghz E6850 may perform faster than a 2.4 ghz Q6600 for most current apps. Otherwise a quad-core would be a better deal, IMO.

 

[Avalon]

So are these 1333FSB CPUs supposed to be utilitizing the G0 core? I was going to cheap out and get an E2140, but if the 1333's are G0s, I'll be happy to pick up an E6750 for less than $200.

 

[jlin101]

I thought G0 stepping applies only to Q6600 and 2 Xeon's.
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[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: jlin101
I thought G0 stepping applies only to Q6600 and 2 Xeon's.
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Doesn't that paper just apply to a transition of an existing product ?

Won't the new 1333 2 core chips chips be coming from the same FAB ?

Being new products, they may have their own stepping designation ..

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: jlin101

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
So wait, less FSB is bad, yes?

No, higher FSB is better. What I was inferring is that you can easily o/c a Q6600 (2.4ghz/FSB1066) to 3ghz simply by raising the FSB to 1333; whereas it would be more difficult to raise the FSB on a E6750 which already has an FSB of 1333. That's why some people prefere E4300 (FSB800) over E6300(FSB1066) for o/c'ing.

That makes sense, yes, but jjsole seems to know something we don't.

The 1333fsb processors use less wattage and run cooler. They apparently are better overclockers than the 1066fsb processors because even tho there isn't much difference between the stock speed of the e6700 and the newer e6750, these differences give it more o/c'ing headroom.

Does it make it the best deal for the price? That's to each one to decide.

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[videopho]

Which one is a better performer, e6600or e6750?
I just spent $230 for my e6600 and at these prices they start to making me look like a fool.

 

[imported_vghc]

Wonder when will NewEgg carry these. I am dying to buy them but i just don't trust these small places.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: videopho
Which one is a better performer, e6600or e6750?
I just spent $230 for my e6600 and at these prices they start to making me look like a fool.

The E6750 will be a bit faster, not so much because of the increased front side bus (1333mhz vs. 1066mhz), but because of the increased clock speed (2.67Ghz vs. 2.4Ghz). Of course, this is considering stock speeds.

Originally posted by: vghc
Wonder when will NewEgg carry these. I am dying to buy them but i just don't trust these small places.

Probably July 20th, that seems to be the date other sites have as an "in stock" date. But it is possible a company like NewEgg will have them a day or two sooner.

 

[videopho]

Originally posted by: vghc
Wonder when will NewEgg carry these. I am dying to buy them but i just don't trust these small places.

I'd wait for the Egg or ZZF.

 

[gibster]

People thinking about getting the quad - this is not really a quad, but a pseudo-quad (i.e. 2 dual cores slapped together), so there are inherent inefficiencies in its architecture (mainly sharing the bus and split L2 cache). For me, this is not as big a deal as cooling this beast (105W), which is the main reason I will NOT be getting one (having trouble with my current Opteron 165 as is). I think the E6750 will do me fine...

 

[Valour]

I have the same concern (re: heat +power draw). I've gone over the pros and cons of getting either the E6850 or the Q6600. I was leaning towards the Q6600, because the price was the same, it was only marginally slower than the E6850 at clock speeds (for gaming), and it would be more "future proof" (oxymoron! ). The decision changed to E6850 though, because I just don't want to deal with excessive heat in my computer case/room. I figure an 8800 GTX, Q6600, fast DDR2, and a couple 400GB Sata drives is asking for potential trouble. If keeping things cool is part of your hobby, I see no trouble with it, as I'm sure it wouldn't be terribly hard to do. I just don't want to deal with it. Oddly enough, I don't see much talk about heat from a lot of people debating the two cpus. Anyone know of any good info on the subject?

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: Valour
I don't see much talk about heat from a lot of people debating the two cpus. Anyone know of any good info on the subject?

The bottom line is, the Quad is 2 Core2's in one can ..

Clock for clock it will generate twice the heat ( full load ), but it is not a big increase
over a total system like yours .. It's just another 100watt light bulb in a
two bulb fixture .. If it wasn't too hot before, it won't be after ..

It has the same Intel warranty with the same crappy heatsink they
bundle with the Core2, so Intel doesn't seem to be too worried about heat ..


You will know if it goes past 100c ... It will shut down ..

Don't ask me how I know ...

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: kevman
Whats a better choice when the prices level out : q6600 or e6850?

Imo the 6850 unless you use often a multithreaded program(s) that can utilize the quad core (which most can't). My take on it is that otherwise, if you are doing so much multitasking on your computer that you'll be able to utilize the 4 cores with various programs, you're probably being slowed down anyways by the i/o of the harddrive by all the programs trying to access it at the same time, and you're not gaining much if any at all.

So 2 cores with a better clockspeed is better for most people than 4 cores with a lower clockspeed imo.

Emphasis on 'imo'...I've never had a quad core since I have no use for it and don't find it worth sacrificing the higher speed of an equivalent priced 2 core processor.

i remember this exact same type of comment based on dual core.... wish i never listened

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Diogenes2

Originally posted by: jlin101
I thought G0 stepping applies only to Q6600 and 2 Xeon's.
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Doesn't that paper just apply to a transition of an existing product ?

Won't the new 1333 2 core chips chips be coming from the same FAB ?

Being new products, they may have their own stepping designation ..

All of the ex50 chips are G0 stepping. The G0 chips run cooler. In the q6600, the current stepping is B3, which has a 105w tdp. The G0 Q6600 will have a tdp of 95w and an 11c higher max temp iirc. Basically, they switched to 1333 fsb and G0 step at the same time for the dual cores, but they left the Q6600 and Q6700 on 1066 with the G0 upgrade. Not sure why.

 

[csmaster2005]

just curious, newegg should have the 6750 for sale by july 22 right?

 

[Chesebert]

Originally posted by: videopho
Which one is a better performer, e6600or e6750?
I just spent $230 for my e6600 and at these prices they start to making me look like a fool.

yeah..I am that idiot too..I just got a e6600... To make myself feel better, I can do 3.2Ghz with stock volt and 3.3Ghz at 1.35V (which is the max vcore on the Intel packaging), 3.4Ghz at 1.37V and 3.6Ghz at 1.40V. These are Costa Rica made.

During Ortho I get around mid 50s at 3.2Ghz using TT Big Typhoon.

sigh...maybe I should have waited for the quad.

I totally forgot about the July cut, I was focused on cut for E6600 from $315 down to $220.