Intel Cannonlake 10 nm delayed, introducing KabyLake

[dark zero]

People don't care about upgradability. It's really up to the OEMs whether they care enough to insist on future LGA models, but that's more about upselling than upgradability. In any case, the rumor only applies to Cannonlake specifically and not any future product after that.

Really???

I just had my Z97 motherboard die with an electric snap. Got another, swapped the CPU and I'm good to go. If it were soldered in, I would have lost both.

This is your answer.
The processors are the last thing to die, but MoBos tends to die as fast as the Hard Disk Drives.

 

[frozentundra123456]

One has to remember that posters on these forums are not the average user. To the vast majority of users, upgrading the cpu is a non issue. Enterprise, education, vast majority of consumers never upgrade the cpu. What are the main computing devices sold today? Laptops, tablets, and smartphones, none of which are upgradable.

That said, it doesnt really matter, because as jpiniero said, the rumors are only regarding Cannonlake, much like Broadwell. Desktop will be most likely skipped for a Skylake refresh and the next desktop models will be Icelake, or whatever follows Cannonlake.

Edit: BTW Dark, I have had several hard drives fail, but never a motherboard, well except for the one my grandson spilled soda on!!

 

[Fjodor2001]

As is the OP.

Oh, so you didn't get that the info in the OP was from leaks and not official info from Intel? In that case I think it says more about your comprehension skills than anything else.

 

[jpiniero]

That said, it doesnt really matter, because as jpiniero said, the rumors are only regarding Cannonlake, much like Broadwell. Desktop will be most likely skipped for a Skylake refresh and the next desktop models will be Icelake, or whatever follows Cannonlake.

That's what it looked like before the delay. There was going to be a Skylake Refresh for desktops and then somewhat later Cannonlake. Now with the delay Intel has scrapped Skylake Refresh in favor of Kabylake for everything in 2016 and then Cannonlake in 2017.

 

[Phynaz]

If Intel goes BGA that would be a WORSE movement than AMD Bulldozer... People wants upgradeable and replacablle chips, not crap that iis soldered. If the MoBo dies, we can move the processor on LGA,PGA while BGA is an automatic death sentence.

Only the extreme fanboy would like that suicidal movement.

In the 35 years I've been doing the personal computer thing I've upgraded a CPU once.

"People" don't give a rats ass about CPU upgrading outside of the hardware hobbyists.

 

[Phynaz]

Oh, so you didn't get that the info in the OP was from leaks and not official info from Intel? In that case I think it says more about your comprehension skills than anything else.

I see your postings have devolved into personal attacks instead of arguing facts.

Can't attack the facts, so attack the poster?

 

[Nothingness]

In the 35 years I've been doing the personal computer thing I've upgraded a CPU once.

"People" don't give a rats ass about CPU upgrading outside of the hardware hobbyists.

Same here. OTOH I need to be able to increase memory and change the GPU.

 

[Fjodor2001]

I see your postings have devolved into personal attacks instead of arguing facts.

Can't attack the facts, so attack the poster?

It was you who as usually started the argument, over something that in the end it was proved you were incorrect about. Now when you have realized that you're try to cover it up and turn it into something else.

I'm done arguing with you. It's leading nowhere except ruining the thread.

 

[dark zero]

In the 35 years I've been doing the personal computer thing I've upgraded a CPU once.

"People" don't give a rats ass about CPU upgrading outside of the hardware hobbyists.

And if the MoBo dies? You can't see that side. The processor is the most durable component. If the MoBo dies, you can buy other and use the same processor without problem.

 

[ehume]

That said, it doesnt really matter, because as jpiniero said, the rumors are only regarding Cannonlake, much like Broadwell. Desktop will be most likely skipped for a Skylake refresh and the next desktop models will be Icelake, or whatever follows Cannonlake.

Edit: BTW Dark, I have had several hard drives fail, but never a motherboard, well except for the one my grandson spilled soda on!!

I agree with you that it doesn't really matter if they skip one. They skipped 32nm, refreshed 45nm instead.

But I have had three motherboards die: a 7 year old Dell in 2009, a P55 (by accident) and the aforementioned Z97. Motherboards do die, either from age, accident or the unknown. They have too many components all spread out. Some of us are lucky; some are snakebit. Some of us never experience a motherboard failure. Others do. I'm glad to be able to separate motherboard from CPU. I hope they continue to make some LGA models. That's all.

 

[Phynaz]

And if the MoBo dies? You can't see that side. The processor is the most durable component. If the MoBo dies, you can buy other and use the same processor without problem.

Never had one die on me. How many died on you?

 

[dark zero]

Never had one die on me. How many died on you?

At least nothing, but here in the 3rd world is pretty easy to screw and even burn one MoBo pretty easily due electrical unstability. Even with a decent PSU, a decent Ups and with the correct system. It's so bad... That the MoBo constantly dies.

Also, check the other forist answers.

 

[mrmt]

Never had one die on me. How many died on you?

When I used to live very close to the beach I lost some three motherboards, and a few dGPUs too.

 

[Fjodor2001]

When I used to live very close to the beach I lost some three motherboards, and a few dGPUs too.

Got salt water on them?

 

[coolpurplefan]

At least nothing, but here in the 3rd world is pretty easy to screw and even burn one MoBo pretty easily due electrical unstability. Even with a decent PSU, a decent Ups and with the correct system. It's so bad... That the MoBo constantly dies.

Also, check the other forist answers.

I have a Tripp-Lite Omni VS1500 XL and when the batteries are fresh enough, it's good. I know that since in my area, an electrical worker told me "they're replacing with new" because of variations with the voltage. My Automatic Voltage Regulator on my VS1500 XL was coming on every once in a while. Now that the lines are new, I no longer have that problem. I used to lose a stick of RAM every time there was a power outage.

The last time I checked prices, the VS1500 XL was maybe over $150 USD or $160 CAD (Canadian dollars). Cheaper models don't have reliable AVR from what I read.

 

[dealcorn]

After a move with other issues on my mind, I finally noticed that under local electrical standards, the fuse box is typically grounded but individual circuits are not. I lost several motherboards prior to adding an external grounding pole and UPS battery backup to the circuits powering my PC's. If you repeatedly lose motherboards, think carefully about the quality of you electric supply.

 

[Fjodor2001]

An update from DigiTimes - KabyLake (and thus likely also Cannonlake 10 nm) delayed even more than originally expected:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150707PD202.html

Intel said to postpone Kaby Lake processor launch to late 2016

Following the delay of Skylake processors, Intel's next-generation Kaby Lake processors, which were originally scheduled for early 2016, reportedly will be pushed back until September 2016 for the consumer version and January 2017 for the enterprise one.

I'm a bit unsure what they mean by "consumer" vs "enterprise" version of KabyLake? Is "enterprise" e.g. servers, HEDT, or high TDP Notebook CPUs?

Anyway, I guess this means we won't see Cannonlake 10 nm until sometime in 2017H2.

 

[mikk]

Exactly one year after Skylake, not sure if this is really a delay. Since Skylake was planned for H2 2015 since many months, I doubt Kabylake was planned for early 2016. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Enigmoid]

Expect delays. Intel really seems to be losing it lately.

 

[LTC8K6]

Expect delays. Intel really seems to be losing it lately.

Yes, they are under so much pressure... :biggrin:

 

[Arachnotronic]

An update from DigiTimes - KabyLake (and thus likely also Cannonlake 10 nm) delayed even more than originally expected:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150707PD202.html



I'm a bit unsure what they mean by "consumer" vs "enterprise" version of KabyLake? Is "enterprise" e.g. servers, HEDT, or high TDP Notebook CPUs?

Anyway, I guess this means we won't see Cannonlake 10 nm until sometime in 2017H2.

Enterprise = vPro models.

 

[dark zero]

That is not good anymore... If even Intel is delaying, this means thay they can't shrink the silicon more than expecting...

In the other sidw, AMD and NVIDIA got their golden chance to show their improved CPU in order to stop Intel

 

[Fjodor2001]

That is not good anymore... If even Intel is delaying, this means thay they can't shrink the silicon more than expecting...

In the other sidw, AMD and NVIDIA got their golden chance to show their improved CPU in order to stop Intel

Yeah, I agree. If Intel keeps slowing down like this, it'll make it easier for AMD to catch up. Even if AMD is 3 years behind, that would only mean 1.05^5=1.15 => 15% performance advantage for Intel, assuming a yearly 5% performance increase (i.e. ~8% per generation). Some years when we saw 20% yearly performance increase, 3 years advantage would mean 1.20^20=1.73 => 73% performance advantage. So it's a drastic change.

With a completely new uArch in Zen and access to 14 nm process tech, AMD for sure has an opportunity. They can learn from their mistakes, and cherry pick the best from Intel's uArch by reverse engineering. Since Intel is not charging ahead like they used to, AMD is given time and opportinity to catch up.

On the other hand AMD is in a tight monetary position, so it's still uncertain if they'll pull it off. We'll just have to wait and see until next year or so when Zen is released.

 

[Phynaz]

Lol, more talk about AMD catching up - as they continue to fall further behind.

 

[Phynaz]

That is not good anymore... If even Intel is delaying, this means thay they can't shrink the silicon more than expecting...

In the other sidw, AMD and NVIDIA got their golden chance to show their improved CPU in order to stop Intel

Intel's customers are asking them to slow down. Changing platforms is expensive.