But how else would you get the clicks?
Quite a bit of sites directly specialize in homemade gossip because they have a blind following crowd.
I personally think that's crappy and irresponsible journalism.
Icelake, Kabykake, I don't like all those lakes. It marks stagnation.
So after Skylake, it'll be late 2017 until we see some new CPU performance improvement on Intel desktop CPUs? And Cannonlake being a Tick it's uncertain how much, maybe it'll be until the Tock after that in late 2018 or early 2019 that we see a noticeable CPU performance bump?
Those who got Sandy Bridge in January 2011 sure did a wise move. Even ~7-8 years after, it's likely borderline if it'll be worth upgrading, even for enthusiasts.
That is unless you need new I/O ports, would like to get a smaller AIO sized computer, or similar.
Intel's customers are asking them to slow down. Changing platforms is expensive.
I've been saying for a few years now that my i5 3570K @ 4.0Ghz will likely last me 10 years. :whiste:
I've been saying for a few years now that my i5 3570K @ 4.0Ghz will likely last me 10 years. :whiste:
And then they wonder why PC sales are stagnating. Intel is shooting itself in the foot if they keep improving at current snail pace as nobody needs to upgrade. Only reason to upgrade CPU somewhat early is probably if your MB fails and you can't get any replacements anymore. Actually another reason for intel to go soldered CPUs only. More sales.
Yeap, seams the luck of competition is good for the consumer pocket :biggrin:
Unless Win 10 and DX-12 doesnt change things up, I will keep my Core i7 3770K@4.44GHz until i get my pension (from what it seams to come when i turn 99)
I just meant to say they could stop changing so many sockets.You're right, we shouldn't change platforms, EDO memory and IDE are good enough.
I just meant to say they could stop changing so many sockets.
I get that.It's better for Intel, its partners, and consumers to keep improving the platform and obsoleting the older sockets.
We get better products, Intel sells more chipsets, and the motherboard companies can actually sell new motherboards.
I just meant to say they could stop changing so many sockets.
Mean nothing for Intel too.... is better to constantly change products if you want more power...Socket compatibility means nothing. Motherboard compatibility on the other hand...
And also: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...ng-kaby-lake-processor-as-moores-law-falters/[Brian M. Krzanich - Intel CEO speaking at 2015Q2 earnings call]
As node transitions lengthened, we adapted our approach to the Tick-Tock method, which gave us a second product on each node. This strategy created better products for our customers and a competitive advantage for Intel. It also disproved the death of Moore's Law predictions many times over. The last two technology transitions have signaled that our cadence today is closer to 2.5 years than two.
To address this cadence, in the second half of 2016 we plan to introduce a third 14-nanometer product, code named Kaby Lake, built on the foundations of the Skylake micro-architecture but with key performance enhancements. Then in the second half of 2017, we expect to launch our first 10-nanometer product, code named Cannonlake. We expect that this addition to the roadmap will deliver new features and improved performance and pave the way for a smooth transition to 10-nanometers.
Intel confirms tick-tock shattering Kaby Lake processor as Moore’s Law falters
Company will make three generations of 14nm processors, delaying the switch to 10nm.
Intel has confirmed today that it will build a third generation of processors on its 14nm process, and that the switch to 10nm manufacturing has been delayed until the second half of 2017, showing the challenges that Moore's Law is under, and bringing an end to the company's "tick-tock" strategy.
The mission is to really utilize Moore's Law. We have it. We believe we lead at it. We drive it. We define Moore's Law as a company. --Brian Krzanich, CEO Intel, IM14
We will not take the foot off the [Moore's law] pedal here. --Brian Krzanich, CEO Intel, IM14
The first one is Moore's Law, and I'll talk a little bit about that this morning, but Bill's gonna give you a really fun, in-depth discussion of Moore's Law for those who really enjoy it. [laughing audience] I do wanna make a point thought: next year is the 50th anniversary of Moore's Law, and I don't think a lot of people think about this being a law that's been around for 50 years. And through that time, my 30 year engagement with that 50 years of myself personally as an engineer at Intel, I can tell you many times people've talked about the Law ending. Our job at Intel is to make sure it lives on for as long as possible. But 50 years is a momentous milestone and we will be doing some things next year to recognize that. --Brian Krzanich, CEO Intel, IM14
We felt like we went on a little early with 14nm as far as timing and performance and features and we saw actually competitors adjust to that. So we're gonna be a little bit more prudent, a little smarter about signaling to the industry exactly when, what and where. And you'll have to trust a little bit the 50 year history we have with Moore's Law and that we should be able to keep it going for 51 or 52 years. So we're gonna be a little careful there about that signaling exactly when, what and where. --Brian Krzanich, CEO Intel, IM14
We do think that we've been giving too much insight too far in advance and so we'll talk about 10nm some time in the next 12 or 18 months [from Nov '14] and when it's appropriate. Stacy Smith, CFO Intel, IM14
But you are seeing in the fourth quarter, youre seeing the front edge of the startup cost associated with the 10-nanometer and thats kind of right in line with the historical timing of what youd expect. Stacy Smith, CFO Intel, IM14
AMD is still 1+ nodes behind Intel as always,and their architecture is inferior. TSMC, Samsung and GloFo really won't have a free launch, although it's of course much better for them that Intel's 10nm is >>1 year delayed.Looks like AMD might actually have a chance to catch up, and get Zen APUs out before Cannonlake/Icelake comes along.
AMD is still 1+ nodes behind Intel as always,and their architecture is inferior. TSMC, Samsung and GloFo really won't have a free launch, although it's of course much better for them that Intel's 10nm is >>1 year delayed.
I hope we get some technical and quantitative information.