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CakeMonster

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Intel article is gone from AT frontpage?

Something like i7=hex core+HT, i5=quad core+Ht, i3=quad, no HT, pentium= dual core+Ht, celeron= dual core no HT. Basically increase the threads/cores at every level except the absolute bottom end celeron.

That would be great indeed. I would certainly upgrade. But it would be a one time thing, and after that people would still wait just as long with the next upgrade. No continuous increased revenue for Intel.
 

ShintaiDK

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That would be great indeed. I would certainly upgrade. But it would be a one time thing, and after that people would still wait just as long with the next upgrade. No continuous increased revenue for Intel.

And even more important. Nothing gained or changed for the 99% crowd.
 

cbn

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And even more important. Nothing gained or changed for the 99% crowd.

.....Until multi-user home server software becomes more commonplace.

Then one machine replaces two or more (powerful) desktop machines.

And with a low idle it could be left on 24/7 (not just in sleep) so it can be accessed outside the home as well.
 

NTMBK

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.....Until multi-user home server software becomes more commonplace.

Then one machine replaces two or more (powerful) desktop machines.

And with a low idle it could be left on 24/7 (not just in sleep) so it can be accessed outside the home as well.

Sounds complicated and a PITA to maintain. Doubt the 99% will go for that.
 

Fjodor2001

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Yeah, sounds too complicated for the average user unless they find a way of packaging it in an extremely nice way, so it's easy to set up and use. Could be nice for enthusiasts though.
 

cbn

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Sounds complicated and a PITA to maintain. Doubt the 99% will go for that.

I'm sure Microsoft* will figure something out.

Windows 10 already has Virtual desktops, so I think they are on the way to making simplified multi-user happen.

*or someone else.
 

ShintaiDK

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Ask youself who would want a home server. Rather than cloud.

The home server ideas died with cloud.
 

ShintaiDK

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Maybe the question should be why would someone want cloud when the same can be done cheaply in the home?

Also see this Anandtech article on smart home:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9174/home-automation-systems-a-consumer-checklist

Some of the Cloud services are used for data mining. I'll pass on that.

How did you imagine a dedicated multiuser server would be cheap in any way? And do you think people want that at home, not to mention running 24/7? What about maintaining, support, access?

Its like asking to drop virtualization and go back to single servers.
 

cbn

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How did you imagine a dedicated multiuser server would be cheap in any way? And do you think people want that at home, not to mention running 24/7? What about maintaining, support, access?

Its like asking to drop virtualization and go back to single servers.

I think Microsoft (or whoever does this) will just make it easy to use (see post #206).

And with a low idle it won't cost much to run.
 

ShintaiDK

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I think Microsoft (or whoever does this) will just make it easy to use (see post #206).

And with a low idle it won't cost much to run.

Microsoft and the consumers decided cloud.

And you forgot all the other points.

Windows Home Server got axed 3 years ago for the same reason due to going cloud. (Last version being 4 years old)
 
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cbn

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Microsoft and the consumers decided cloud.

And you forgot all the other points.

Windows Home Server got axed 3 years ago for the same reason due to going cloud. (Last version being 4 years old)

Windows Home Server was old tech though.

And times are changing.

Also you are forgetting that IoT is something that is gaining ground compared to four years ago. The server should also be able to run whatever smart home devices the user wants to use. And this type of usage is much different than merely streaming movies and videos from the cloud.

P.S. What other points am I forgetting about? (I am thinking such a user friendly/home based multi-user OS would be more like a multi-seat or multi-point OS rather than using Virtual machines for each user)
 
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stockwiz

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The cloud is the future. Even I can see this and I don't use it. Intel has no incentive to release cheap cheap mainstream 6 core chips.... revenue from PC enthusiasts is a very small portion of their bottom line... and people who really want the 6 and 8 core ships bad enough will pay for them, just like they pay $650 for a 980ti.

I think they're silly even having a $400 6 core part... if they were smart they'd make it $600, lacking any serious competition. It's the only think I've seriously given thought toward upgrading too (5820K) though I would not pay $600... many people would.
 
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cbn

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The cloud is the future. Even I can see this and I don't use it. Intel has no incentive to release cheap cheap mainstream 6 core chips.... revenue from PC enthusiasts is a very small portion of their bottom line... and people who really want the 6 and 8 core ships bad enough will pay for them, just like they pay $650 for a 980ti.

I think they're silly even having a $400 6 core part... if they were smart they'd make it $600, lacking any serious competition. It's the only think I've seriously given thought toward upgrading too (5820K) though I would not pay $600... many people would.

Intel had no incentive to release (cheap) phone processors and we know what happened there.
 
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The cloud is the future. Even I can see this and I don't use it. Intel has no incentive to release cheap cheap mainstream 6 core chips.... revenue from PC enthusiasts is a very small portion of their bottom line... and people who really want the 6 and 8 core ships bad enough will pay for them, just like they pay $650 for a 980ti.

I think they're silly even having a $400 6 core part... if they were smart they'd make it $600, lacking any serious competition. It's the only think I've seriously given thought toward upgrading too (5820K) though I would not pay $600... many people would.[/QUOTE

Maybe the cloud is the future if you have fast, reliable, cheap internet without any bandwidth caps. But with my internet, it takes 12 hours or more to download a 50gb game. I can only imagine how long it would take to do a terabyte backup.
 

cbn

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Regarding multi-core pricing, we also have to remember Intel released a fairly stripped down octocore in the form of Xeon-D. This processor has a lot of extras of the LGA 2011-3 processors removed, contributing to a small die size.

So for the first time now an octocore (with some extras) is actually smaller than quad core + iGPU:

Broadwell 4C (16 PCIe lanes) + GT3 = 169mm2
Broadwell 8C (24 PCIe lanes, dual 10Gbe Lan, usb 3) = 160mm2

(Broadwell core size is 6.8mm2 to 6.9mm2--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37452366 )
 

dark zero

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The cloud is the future. Even I can see this and I don't use it. Intel has no incentive to release cheap cheap mainstream 6 core chips.... revenue from PC enthusiasts is a very small portion of their bottom line... and people who really want the 6 and 8 core ships bad enough will pay for them, just like they pay $650 for a 980ti.

I think they're silly even having a $400 6 core part... if they were smart they'd make it $600, lacking any serious competition. It's the only think I've seriously given thought toward upgrading too (5820K) though I would not pay $600... many people would.
Actually if AMD dies that octa core could jump up to 1500 dollars without any problem... and the QUAD Cores could be entered at 350 dollars....

I mean... knowing Intel, without any competition, they could start promote the use of Atoms instead of the Core arch and make the Core way more expensive they actually are...

I know that because on a monopoly, they want to sell the decent things at insane prices... here in Peru have some monopolies that are practically screwing our development.
 

IntelUser2000

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It was 3 at 22nm. It is supposed to be 3 in 14nm. But for the delay from 22nm to 14nm, it would have been 4 on 14nm. What do you want to bet that 10nm et seq will be four?

It's 2 at 22nm. Desktop isn't everything remember? Also "Haswell Refresh" is just that, a refresh. Kabylake is an architecture change whether CPU or GPU.

I highly doubt 3 transistions = 3 years. It's going to be 3.2-3.5 years. Each transition is slightly longer than 12 months because system builders don't like the exact 12 months.
 

IntelUser2000

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Actually if AMD dies that octa core could jump up to 1500 dollars without any problem... and the QUAD Cores could be entered at 350 dollars....

They will never make it that obvious. For example:

Top of the line:

-Xeon E5 2690: $2057, successor to the top E5 v2 is E5 2690 v2 right?

Nope its,
-Xeon E5 2697 v2: $2614, but they have a E5 2690 v2

-Xeon E5 2699 v3: $4115, but they have,
Xeon E5 2697 v3: $2702
Xeon E5 2690 v3: $2090

Everybody compares E5 2690 to E5 2697 v2, and E5 2697 v2, to E5 2699 v3. The thing is if you compare top SKU to top SKU, they increase the price every time. If they have real competition, E5 2690, 2697 v2, and 2699 v3 would have cost the same.

They can price the "5% extra performance" at $350, and create ANOTHER line at $450 that does 10% extra for Desktops. Call it Core i7 Plus, Core i7+, or whatever.
 
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dark zero

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They will never make it that obvious. For example:

Top of the line:

-Xeon E5 2690: $2057, successor to the top E5 v2 is E5 2690 v2 right?

Nope its,
-Xeon E5 2697 v2: $2614, but they have a E5 2690 v2

-Xeon E5 2699 v3: $4115, but they have,
Xeon E5 2697 v3: $2702
Xeon E5 2690 v3: $2090

Everybody compares E5 2690 to E5 2697 v2, and E5 2697 v2, to E5 2699 v3. The thing is if you compare top SKU to top SKU, they increase the price every time. If they have real competition, E5 2690, 2697 v2, and 2699 v3 would have cost the same.

They can price the "5% extra performance" at $350, and create ANOTHER line at $450 that does 10% extra for Desktops. Call it Core i7 Plus, Core i7+, or whatever.
Actually that is retarded to being sincere...
And don't be surprised if Intel decides to put the Celeron and Pentium as BGA Atom chips and leave the Core i3 as the most basic chip... practically transforming the Pentium into the AMD E-2 Llano... from being a PGA chip became soldered and sold as good chip, when their performance were crap.
 
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