Intel Cannonlake 10 nm delayed, introducing KabyLake

[Fjodor2001]

Lol, more talk about AMD catching up - as they continue to fall further behind.

You're making the mistake of judging that based on the current state. But AMD is prioritizing its next completely redesigned uArch gen, Zen. So it's not spending much effort on optimizing the prior Bulldozer based uArch generation. This means the current state does not say anything about what things will be like in 2016 when Zen will be released. From what is communicated so far it will be a disruptive leap ahead for AMD.

Intel is not planning any similar complete redesign of their uArch as far as is known (Cannonlake). So we can expect the yearly 5% from them going forward, at least until late 2018 (the CPU generation after Cannonlake). Even after that it's still not known Intel will continue on the yearly 5% performance increase path.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Oh yes, the fabled Zen that will save everything and vanquish the evil Intel. Developed with a shoehorn budget from a company that got a track record of...not delivering.

I would be more worried about if AMD actually got anything left in the CPU segment at the time Zen may or may not release.

 

[Sweepr]

I can't believe you guys are still feeding him. Everytime this thread disappears he comes with a new comment about 10nm process delays or AMD catching up, it's almost a pattern.
Oh, let's not forget about the fake 5% year/year performance increases completely ignoring Devil's Canyon. It's not like his beloved AMD did much better anyway.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I can't believe you guys are still feeding him. Everytime this thread disappears he comes with a new comment about 10nm process delays or AMD catching up, it's almost a pattern.
Oh, let's not forget about the fake 5% year/year performance increases completely ignoring Devil's Canyon. It's not like his beloved AMD did much better anyway.

But Intel is ze evil!

When its not AMD its ARM instead.

But ye, same loop constantly.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I just put him on my ignore list a long time ago. Definitely makes the thread much more tolerable.

That said, I really wish Intel would pick up their game and get stuff out on time with some good performance increases. I am becoming less optimistic as time goes on about skylake except for improved igpus and power consumption instead of raw performance increases.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Unless something radically happens. Then thats the future.

Complete SoCs in different low power envelopes. And NUC sized PCs may be called big in the future.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yes, it is really discouraging that one can now buy desktops with about 1/2 the single threaded performance of my core 2 duo system (and not even a high end one) from 2006. And they arent even that cheap, relatively speaking. Laptops are not quite as bad; at least you can get one now for around 200.00 which was not at all possible back then.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Well thats for a small core thread. Not this one

 

[Fjodor2001]

I just put him on my ignore list a long time ago. Definitely makes the thread much more tolerable.

That said, I really wish Intel would pick up their game and get stuff out on time with some good performance increases. I am becoming less optimistic as time goes on about skylake except for improved igpus and power consumption instead of raw performance increases.

First you're complaining about me telling you the facts about the poor performance increases we're seeing, and then in the very next paragraph you confirm them and start complaining about them yourself.

Man, you're funny! :biggrin: You should put yourself on your own ignore list and things will come closer to reality.

 

[Walter E Kurtz]

Developed with a shoehorn budget from a company that got a track record of...not delivering.

A track record of not delivering? You must have forgotten A64. Which I can imagine in your case, Intel had to bend over and take it pretty deep back then.

 

[ShintaiDK]

A track record of not delivering? You must have forgotten A64. Which I can imagine in your case, Intel had to bend over and take it pretty deep back then.

Yes, 12 years ago. And how was it ever since? Phenom, Bulldozer etc.

 

[NTMBK]

Yes, 12 years ago. And how was it ever since? Phenom, Bulldozer etc.

Phenom I was a disaster, but Phenom II was a solid product. Anandtech called it "A True Return to Competition", in fact:

Phenom II is AMD's return to competition, and unlike the best the original could do, the sequel is actually worthwhile. Even if Intel drops prices to maintain control of the quad-core market, you have AMD to thank for that. It's similar to what happened in the GPU market last summer: competition keeps prices in check. Economic woes or not, both AMD and Intel are going to be fighting hard for your business this year.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2702/20

They've had some hits, and some (very big) misses. I just hope that Zen is the former, not the latter.

 

[dark zero]

Actually Phenom II and even Llano were really great chips... Bulldozer and the initial Haswell on the other side were absolute dissasters...

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yea, haswell was quite a disaster. Look at the market share it has allowed AMD to regain.

 

[dark zero]

Yea, haswell was quite a disaster. Look at the market share it has allowed AMD to regain.

The market was like that since AMD is still on retarded mode. Also the gain was thanks to SB and IB than Haswell. Also... Why they released a refresh then?

 

[ShintaiDK]

The market was like that since AMD is still on retarded mode. Also the gain was thanks to SB and IB than Haswell. Also... Why they released a refresh then?

Because Atoms got higher priority than desktop in leading edge node access.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Because Atoms got higher priority than desktop in leading edge node access.

And how successful was Atom? Not many sold I think.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Actually Phenom II and even Llano were really great chips... Bulldozer and the initial Haswell on the other side were absolute dissasters...

The 4770k was not a disaster.

 

[ehume]

The 4770k was not a disaster.

Sitting in front of my own 4770k, I'd have to agree.

 

[386DX]

You're making the mistake of judging that based on the current state. But AMD is prioritizing its next completely redesigned uArch gen, Zen. So it's not spending much effort on optimizing the prior Bulldozer based uArch generation. This means the current state does not say anything about what things will be like in 2016 when Zen will be released. From what is communicated so far it will be a disruptive leap ahead for AMD.

You're making the mistake of judging that based on the current state. But AMD is prioritizing its next completely redesigned uArch gen, Bulldozer. So it's not spending much effort on optimizing the prior Phenom based uArch generation. This means the current state does not say anything about what things will be like in 2011 when Bulldozer will be released. From what is communicated so far it will be a disruptive leap ahead for AMD.


Did you see what I did there? Sound familiar?

 

[dark zero]

The 4770k was not a disaster.

Maybe a golden chip? Devil's Canyon is what Haswell was supposed to be released and that was a nice chip.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Do you just make random outrageous stuff to post or what?

I am not saying Haswell was a tremendous advance like the original Core 2 or even Sandy Bridge, but it is just absurd to call it a disaster.

 

[beginner99]

And if the MoBo dies? You can't see that side. The processor is the most durable component. If the MoBo dies, you can buy other and use the same processor without problem.

It depends on the warranty and length of it. I could also spin this in a completely different way. If it is soldered the warranty must be for the whole package, CPU + MB. So if MB fails, supplier must replace it including the CPU.

Current Asus MB seems to have 3 year warranty, MSI and Gigabyte only seem to offer 2. Yeah, then it's a bit of an issue. But assume that all give 4 year warranties, longer because soldered CPU. Do you think they still have stock of your old MB? Probably not so you get a free CPU upgrade if it's still in warranty. Have seen that happen often for GPUs.

On the other hand if your current socketed MB fails say after the 3 years Asus warranty is over, it won't be easy to actually find a replacement. Sure not on retailers. So you have to search ebay for a replacement. Might be easy in US but were I live ebay for PC parts isn't great at all, mostly overpriced. So you are also in a pretty bad situation and will often need to replace MB + CPU anyway.

 

[tenks]

Oh yes, the fabled Zen that will save everything and vanquish the evil Intel. Developed with a shoehorn budget from a company that got a track record of...not delivering.

I would be more worried about if AMD actually got anything left in the CPU segment at the time Zen may or may not release.

God I love reading your comments. So refreshing.


edit:

On topic, I was just reading that sites are reporting that now kabylake is delayed from early 2016 to sept 2016. This brings up 2 issues. I don't think Intel ever planned on kabylake coming out in early 2016, potentially 5-7 months after Skylake . I think it was all assumed it would be just like the Haswell refresh, a year after Haswell. And now they're saying kabylake is coming a year after Skylake (DERP), which I think is was the real date all along and follows past trend/logic....Stay with me here..this is the part that irks me..

Site A says catches wind of a product (kabylake). They get some light rumors, no credible hard facts. Then they get some concrete details and they differ from the earlier rumors they had and now all of the sudden its labeled as a "delay" just to make a headline. When in fact they just had the wrong information from the start - I personally think that's crappy and irresponsible journalism.

 

[coercitiv]

Site A says catches wind of a product (kabylake). They get some light rumors, no credible hard facts. Then they get some concrete details and they differ from the earlier rumors they had and now all of the sudden its labeled as a "delay" just to make a headline. When in fact they just had the wrong information from the start - I personally think that's crappy and irresponsible journalism.

What journalism? /s