Intel CEO slams Rambus

[Sephiroth_IX]

Flok - The technology is good, but overpriced. I will continue with every statement i have ever made: If RAMBUS gives me a 128mb PC800 for the price of a PC133, i would buy it over the SDRAM.

 

[PCResources]

<< Not for me, it?s the price! I could live with the latency, but not at the price it comes with >>



I agree, the retail prices suck, but Rambus prices are about the same as SDRAM, retailers just charge way to much.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[rocketbuddha]

Finally we have from the HORSE'S MOUTH. So INTEL cannot Divorce RAMBUS. Soon I beleive that it will also thank VIA for providing the 694X Chipset which did infact sell a Lot of Coppermines. Thus they will throw the Legal Injunctions out to restore some credibility.

*BETTER LATE THAN NEVER***Text

 

[PCResources]

<< DDR and QDR is the future for the PC. >>



What is QDR?? You mean DDR-II?? with a packeted design much like Rambus??

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[PCResources]

<< Finally we have from the HORSE'S MOUTH. So INTEL cannot Divorce RAMBUS. Soon I beleive that it will also thank VIA for providing the 694X Chipset which did infact sell a Lot of Coppermines. Thus they will throw the Legal Injunctions out to restore some credibility. >>



I agree, this was a stupid idea of Intel.

Taking legal actions against any company to supress competition will no doubt lead to lower sales. Consumers LIKE competition, and any company that tries to supress it will have to pay a price. Of course this goes for Rambus to.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Osangar]

CZAR

&quot;RDRAM should be used for low memmory consoles not for high end workstations&quot;

You might want to drop by aces hardware (http://www.aceshardware.com/) sometime and try telling that to Aaron Spink. (He is part of the team designing the memory interface for the next generation Alpha EV7)

PC resources tried that about 6 months ago and got tag teamed by Aaron and Paul DeMone?
Well you can se the result by his posts here.

 

[Modus]

Windogg,

<< &quot;We hoped we were partners with a company that would concentrate on technology rather than seeking to collect a toll from other companies.&quot; Hmmmm.... isn't that the kettle calling the pot black??? ***COUGH*** VIA ***COUGH***>>

I know, priceless, isn't it?

<< &quot;Enter Rambus, with memory chips that produced a sharp improvement in memory speed. Rambus, meanwhile, smarting from the poor support from memory chip producers, and PC makers which favoured slower but cheaper types of memory,&quot; *SIGH* If only I had a nickel for each RIMMjob some idiot got because some clueless salesperson told them that Rambust was better.>>

Windogg, please don't post stuff like this. Please. I'm begging you. Imagine -- half the CEO's in corporate America are going to digest that sewage as fact. It makes me want to vomit. I think I'm getting an ulcer now. Thanks a lot.

Modus

 

[NOX]

<< The Rambus design is a good one, and will surely have it's piece of the cake in the future, but Intel tried to make it the only choice, and that didn't work, not yet. >>


I agree that was a mistake on their part. I also agree that Rambus is a great peace of technology, they do have issues but minor ones in my opinion. I don?t consider latency to be a major issue (IMO), unless it?s really bad latency we?re talking about.
I think the hostility you see towards Rambus is mainly due to their business practices, and the fact Intel was trying to force something down our throats, which at the time some of use knew very little about. And if you wanted a PIII/P4 (using i820) you would have to buy use RIMMS which came at $1,000 for 128MB (at the time). Most of us didn?t react well to that.

 

[Leo V]

This is unbelievable news. Chipzilla admitting their mistake in selecting a proprietary, overpriced, immature, underperforming technology for their processors. Priceless!

I might, after all, actually buy Intel CPU's sometime in the unforeseen future. Now though, I'll get an AMD Tbird with triple the performance/price ratio

 

[HigherGround]

Indeed this is huge, even though the announcement won't change jack in the near future (PIV)...there's still hope for intel. I'm glad they know they f*cked up royally and now are getting ready to clean up.

 

[PCResources]

<< underperforming technology >>



Rambus, underperforming?

Well, i think not, the issues has to do with bad chipsets.

As usual, i'll state my recommendation that you check your facts before you make any statements.

 

[PCResources]

<< PC resources tried that about 6 months ago and got tag teamed by Aaron and Paul DeMone? >>



True, a six months ago, i believed that Rambus was a dead technology, but what you did not see on the posts there were the technological discussion i had with Paul, which convinced me that Rambus technology can indeed bring something new to the PC Arena.

BTW, the reason i write &quot;Am speaking for PC Resources&quot; is because Paul used to write &quot;Not speaking for Compaq&quot;

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[RagingGuardian]

WTF, are you a Rambus employee? I don't really like Intel but I wouldn't go as far as saying that the lack of performance is due to a bad chipset design. Maybe Rambus should have designed the chipset or work more closely with Intel on the chipset if they want to blame anything on Intel.

 

[PCResources]

<< WTF, are you a Rambus employee? I don't really like Intel but I wouldn't go as far as saying that the lack of performance is due to a bad chipset design. Maybe Rambus should have designed the chipset or work more closely with Intel on the chipset if they want to blame anything on Intel. >>



Maybe you did not notice my &quot;Am speaking for PC Reosurces&quot; on EVERY post i make?????

So, the crappy design of the i820 is good?? Please make me understand why you think so...

Check out the design of the 21364 and see what real Rambus designs are all about.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources (did you see that?? PC Resources NOT Rambus!)

 

[fkloster]

PC, do you have a link for rambus &amp; 21364?

 

[PCResources]

Yes i have links, i'll try to find em soon enough...

But for your info: 21364 has an integrated eight channel memory controller for eight independent Rambus memory channels... Like that??

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[RagingGuardian]

If Rambus wanted a better performance out of their technology then they should have worked closely with Intel, rather than bust Intel by saying it's due to a bad chipset design, because it is after all Rambus' reputation that's on the line. I pray to all the Gods in heaven that the company soon falls and their serial memmory along with it.

 

[NOX]

<< Maybe Rambus should have designed the chipset or work more closely with Intel on the chipset if they want to blame anything on Intel. >>


Do you know something we don't?

 

[PCResources]

<< If Rambus wanted a better performance out of their technology then they should have worked closely with Intel, rather than bust Intel by saying it's due to a bad chipset design, because it is after all Rambus' reputation that's on the line. I pray to all the Gods in heaven that the company soon falls and their serial memmory along with it. >>



Let's see here, Rambus never stated that the chipset was crappy, I DID.

You do not like serial memory?? Well, you might just change your mind about that soon.

I do not like the COMPANY Rambus, but i do think that the DESIGN of the Rambus memory is a good one.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[fkloster]

Serial memory architectures are not the enemy, and for the sake of future price &amp; performance, we should pray that the idea does not fail. I believe that it is Intel who dropped the ball in making serial memory work.

 

[NOX]

<< rather than bust Intel by saying it's due to a bad chipset design >>


I don?t ever remember Rambus ever blaming Intel for it?s poor &quot;performance&quot;, and unless you're calling the cost of Rambus poor &quot;performance&quot; I don't understand your position? If I remember correctly it was a bunch of independent hardware sites including Anands that gave the i820 a failing grade.

 

[RagingGuardian]

I'm really sorry that I can't find the link and I don't know if anyone remembers when Rambus did indeed insinuate that it was indeed Intels chipset that was hindering the performancce of their memory. Instead of doing this they should be out there ramping production of their memory so the price may one day fall into the earths atmosphere.

DDR and QDR is the future. ITSDRAM (I know nothing of this one) and other memory technologies are out there waiting to be exploited. Serial memory is admittedly of decent design but it's market acceptance is been held back by Rambus.

 

[PCResources]

Rambus (the company) tried to control the entire memory market, and failed, Rambus (the company) deserves every smack they can get, but their memory design has to live on somehow, maybe they should sell it to a company who would know what to do with it, like AMD.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[PCResources]

<< DDR and QDR >>



RagingGuardian:

WHAT IS QDR?????????????????????????????

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Syborg1211]

Hmmmm, does sdram support qdr bus? probably not. That's where rambus comes in. Just try putting some pc800 rambus ram at 400 mhz bus against sdram at 400 mhz. Oooppps, sdram can't do it. Too bad.

Anyways, I myself a pretty much an Intel zealot similar to fkloster. I too have been a little disappointed with Intel lately though.