Intel chip to include antipiracy features. Does anyone know if this is true? Just wondering.

CubicZirconia

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I was watching The ScreenSavers on techtv and they said that the next amd cpu's will have similar features. If its true you might be out of luck maggotry....
 

ToBeMe

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Exactly what I was going to say.........according to what I've seen and heard, this will not be exclusive to Intel chips. AMD has apparently also agreed to implement this so except for perhaps C3 I doubt there will be any escape..............
 

XeonTux

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http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/253/business/Intel_chip_to_include_antipiracy_features%2B.shtml

"...Intel Corp. said yesterday that its next generation of microchips, due next year, would include anti-piracy features that will protect computers against hackers and viruses while giving digital publishers powerful new tools to control the use of their products."

Isn't this the job of the OS? I am a bit curious HOW a chip would help protect against hackers and viruses.

Anyways, as far as the DRM crap, I doubt this would effect linux or other non-microsoftt OSes at all...and it may just help more people see the light.
 

ai42

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Doubt it will happen, they tried it with the P3, with the unique IDs. But privacy groups started a campain and guess what never happened everybody disabled the option.
 

CubicZirconia

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Isn't this the job of the OS? I am a bit curious HOW a chip would help protect against hackers and viruses.

I'm no engineer, but I'm sure if it is somehow built into the hardware it will be much harder to bypass then if it were strictly up to the OS.
 

WyteWatt

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Yeah but what if everyone does not upgrade to these newer processors and stay one processor behind? Like never upgrades their processor after that lets say. I know its sorta impossible but you could do it if you wanted.
 

CrazySaint

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Originally posted by: imtim83
Yeah but what if everyone does not upgrade to these newer processors and stay one processor behind? Like never upgrades their processor after that lets say. I know its sorta impossible but you could do it if you wanted.

Yeah, there's probably a lot of hardware techs who would be hesitent to upgrade, but the fact is we're a tiny portion of the market and most consumers probably don't even know this exists, and if they do find out about it, it probably be from some BS marketing feed going on about "it stops viruses and hackers!" and the consumers will go "Cool!" and that will be that. The best chance of stopping this is for the privacy groups to start another campaign.
 

XeonTux

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Yeah well I thought the same thing about ME -- who's going to buy it if they could still just get 98SE or 2000. Thing is most people are too stupid to know or care, they just get whatever is in the box they pick up at Best Buy.
 

WyteWatt

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CrazySaint yep thats the sad truth I am sure we could do this for alittle while if we had to.

 

randomboy

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Didnt Sony recently try building piracy protection into their CD's, only to have it disabled by a magic marker? I wouldnt fret, if theres a will, theres a way...........

Jeff
 

XeonTux

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Sounds to me like this is going to
1) create a false sense of security
2) fsck up people's right to use their media as they want to
...but won't stop piracy

Once all the crap like this and Palladium is in place, does anyone think that the music labels will stop selling those defective CDs?
 

WyteWatt

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How many percent of people in the world do you all think knows what to buy when like computer shopping, know the latest computer news, know how to build their own computers, etc ? Like it does not have to be exact just wondering what your general opinion is. I am sure the percent will sound low but still its a lot of people in the millions i am sure.
 

XeonTux

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like 0.001% : ) Heck, even many people here ask prior to making a purchase (which IS smart, better to find out before purchasing something rather than after)
 

CrazySaint

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Originally posted by: imtim83
How many percent of people in the world do you all think knows what to buy when like computer shopping, know the latest computer news, know how to build their own computers, etc ? Like it does not have to be exact just wondering what your general opinion is. I am sure the percent will sound low but still its a lot of people in the millions i am sure.

I would say that the percentage is probably <5%. Even if all 5% of us boycotted it, 5% isn't enough of a market share to make the companies change their minds.
 

WyteWatt

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CrazySaint true. Wouldn't it be nice to beable to tell the other consumers about it so they would not buy it either maybe. Then just maybe. Still not easy to do.



 

Maggotry

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Originally posted by: CubicZirconia
I was watching The ScreenSavers on techtv and they said that the next amd cpu's will have similar features.

Was that statement in reference to the hammer line of cpu's?

 

Duvie

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Time to stop pirating!

Yeah, shove it up your arse!!!

How about time for the music industry to make a fvcking cd with more then 2 decent songs on it so I don't have to spend 12-16 bucks for 2 songs...that is the travesty!!! I want to walk into a cd store and for a buck a song make my own cd for 16 bucks with 16 songs I actually like....

Then I should have the right to take that song I fvcking own and make a compilation disc for a party or a road trip if I like.....

I will just keep my last p4 system I make which should be my 2.53ghz chip....hell that should be good enough to play my pirated mp3s for like the next decade or so.....I can make my divx disc as well and play them on standalone dvd players soon to be released...

 

Nack

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As I type this from a laptop running a LEGAL, and REGISTERED copy of Windows XP, I can tell you that whichever company makes a chip WITHOUT this "technology", is the chip I will be buying. If both of the major players do it, I will buy the fastest non-lojacked chip possible and live with it for as long as I can. Why, do you ask, would someone who pays for their software feel this way? Several reasons.

1. If the chips can be used to invasively stop piracy, what else can they be used for? Think about that. I saw a reference to protecting people from "hackers" in one of the articles (whatever that means). Is your computer going to start making pre-programmed JUDGMENTS about the code that is written on it, and then "call home to mama" if it finds something that it finds to be "suspicious"? What's next? Is my TV going to start reporting back when I watch certain patters of "suspicious" programming? Is my oven going to start calling someone if I don't eat all of my red meat "well done" to avoid the risk of e-coli as a good citizen should, for public health reasons? (ok, granted, a ridicuous example, but just where DO you draw that line?)

2. If you wish to engage in a LEGAL activity that involves copying or ripping something. An example of this would be copying songs from a CD you paid for onto another CD to use in your MP3 player, so you can get more than 12 songs on a disc. Another example of this would be backing up an expensive piece of software that you paid for, in case your original gets all scratched up since the software annoyingly requires you to put the original CD in your computer every month when you download the update, in a misguided attempt to stop piracy *cough*mcafee*cough*). Of course, if you choose to DEFEAT this technology (and there usually turns out to be a way if you are determined enough), that would likely fall under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (don't get me started on that one), making you a criminal for trying to rip the CD you bought onto your MP3 player.

3. If my chip has software in it (i.e. hardwired, not software that I loaded), can I really trust my computer enough to use it to generate communications that are subject to privilege? (applies to doctors, lawyers, etc.).

4. The fourth reason comes down to a matter of principle. Your hardware is YOURS, not THEIRS. It is not the job of your computer to make sure you play nice. That is why we have civil courts, law enforcement agencies to enforce laws, etc. Depending on what these chips actually DO (not too much info forthcoming out there), there may also be serious privacy and 4th amendment issues involved.

Another DUMB idea, from the "goodie two-shoes" special interest people (and their like) who brought you such wonderful things as mandatory motorcycle helmet laws, laws that allow police to stop people ONLY for not wearing a seat belt, those super duper "zero tolerance" drunk driving laws that allow people in certain age groups who have had a swig of cough syrup to get convicted of a DUI (and consequently have their lives ruined) with a blood alcohol level of as little as .02 (no, I have not had that pleasure, I just don't like that law), and lets not forget the 3-strikes your out laws that give petty thieves that rob vending machines life sentences without parole for stealing three consecutive kit-kats, while rapists and murderers in the same states do 5 to 10, years of PROBATION.

Don't get me wrong, I do NOT hate the system. It is the best system out there. Laws are important, as is enforcement. In fact, I work in that system. I just can't stand it when special interests who have only their own interests in mind, find ways to impose their will on the rest of us, without us even getting a vote on it. At least some of the other Cluster Fs mentioned above were legislative acts, and those that passed them were and are subject to a vote. When companies capituate to a special interest like this WITHOUT a legislative mandate (and the accountability that carries), it just irritates me in particular, as there really is no practical way for the consumer to voice his opinion.

Nack
 

BD231

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I'd sit outside the front of CompUSA/Best Buy with a desk and make people take papers that tell them NOT to buy these processors. I'm down with the idea of making money off music and software, but when they charge people up the a** for their stuff you get the feeling your getting ripped off by greedy b*stards. I'll stop downloading music when CD's are a straight $10 or $11 bucks, and for now I'll only buy CD's that I feel are worthy of a high price. I'm sorry but doing something hardware based to stop the over priced and as a result, under sold music and other forms of media is wrong. It's like they are trying to stop the making of MP3's all together!! There will always be a work around though, there always has been when stuff like this pops up. Simple file compression and by-pass app's would most likely pop up in no time. At one point people will get pissed at the limitations that are being put on their computers and music cd's, then people will start suing, then higher higher authority will step in and say these acts infringe on our civil rights, monopoly this monopoly that and you know where it all goes from there. I will not be buying ANY processor that has these features.
 

ripthesystem

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thank you Nack- my sentiments exactly.
No processor or OS with that shite will pass through my door. It's about so much more than copying a CD.

ripthesystem
 
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